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You’ve touched on my issue with it - it’s an American organisation in America. Yet the TSA bullshit is contagious annf other countries have subscribed. It also

You’ve touched on my issue with it - it’s an American organisation in America. Yet the TSA bullshit is contagious annf other countries have subscribed. It also makes things like passing through the US painful.

ethanbond 3y ago
Yeah I guess the sensible thing for every other western nation would’ve been to watch the innovation of “plane hijackers are now both murderous and suicidal” and not make some changes to their security regime. Also, yeah, air travel is a global system. Are you proposing that we just let people fly from other countries with no security infrastructure to the US? And your view is that this somehow makes sense?
- lostlogin 3y ago
  Do you feel the TSA makes you safer? My issue is mainly that the security crap is applied when there is no connection to the US occurring. If that poor security theatre stayed within US borders it would be more palatable to us outsiders, then we could make adjustments for that and carry on.
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    It’s so goofy when foreigners think the US is forcing other countries to do x y z things, like “have airport security.” Your airports have security because your leaders learned the same things on 9/11 that the US did. The threat landscape changed immensely. Hijackings were not super uncommon, but they were never that dangerous because it’s hard to do much damage without killing yourself too. What 9/11 revealed is that there are actually people who can be convinced to fly themselves into buildings on loaded aircraft, and yes I do think “there will be bomb dogs” and “there will be X-rays” etc are factored into bad actors’ thinking about how to commit bad actions. Or, you know, I suppose you could think that there were only 19 people in the whole wide world who would’ve possibly done what they did and luckily we got rid of them all in one day. Seems wishful to me though, given that we see thematically similar attacks on a weekly basis throughout the Muslim world. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      > Your airports have security because your leaders learned the same things on 9/11 that the US did. This isn’t accurate. Where I live, no ID is required for domestic flights and I walk through a metal detector. That’s it. New Zealand. The rules I face going international are to keep other countries happy and my 101ml of water and potential bomb shoes are a bad joke. The attack on the US isn’t something I’ve see replicated in the Middle East weekly that I’ve ever noticed. If TSA rules make you feel safe, I suppose that’s good. Unfortunately they fail at their role 95% if the time. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n3678 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-...
      - ethanbond 3y ago
        Huh somehow one of the closest US security allies, Five Eyes member NZ, isn’t subjugated by US security apparatus whims… almost like it has nothing to do with the US deciding other nations’ security regimes. Yes there are dozens of suicide attacks per year, and yes they are overwhelmingly throughout the Muslim world (not merely the Middle East). Security’s role is twofold: deterrence and prevention. You have no way of knowing what the deterrent effects are, which is why I asked if you’re of the belief that there were only 19 people willing to do what happened on 9/11 and we just happened to get rid of them all on the same day. Do you believe that or not?
        lostlogin 3y ago
        I appear to misinterpreted what you said. Your initial comment appeared to me to be a reference to flying a hijacked plane into a building and that isn’t happening that often. Suicide attacks in general are common. Never talked about in the same context is the lone angry man with a gun as that is somehow that is unsolvable in the US. Fascinating how the TSA overreach and ineffectiveness is somehow required, yet the terror inflicted by the domestic problem of gunmen is not able to be addressed. Is it not terrorism? Do you believe the TSA is effective? The Department of Homeland Security don’t.
        3y ago

ethanbond 3y ago

Yeah I guess the sensible thing for every other western nation would’ve been to watch the innovation of “plane hijackers are now both murderous and suicidal” and not make some changes to their security regime. Also, yeah, air travel is a global system. Are you proposing that we just let people fly from other countries with no security infrastructure to the US? And your view is that this somehow makes sense?

lostlogin 3y ago
Do you feel the TSA makes you safer? My issue is mainly that the security crap is applied when there is no connection to the US occurring. If that poor security theatre stayed within US borders it would be more palatable to us outsiders, then we could make adjustments for that and carry on.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  It’s so goofy when foreigners think the US is forcing other countries to do x y z things, like “have airport security.” Your airports have security because your leaders learned the same things on 9/11 that the US did. The threat landscape changed immensely. Hijackings were not super uncommon, but they were never that dangerous because it’s hard to do much damage without killing yourself too. What 9/11 revealed is that there are actually people who can be convinced to fly themselves into buildings on loaded aircraft, and yes I do think “there will be bomb dogs” and “there will be X-rays” etc are factored into bad actors’ thinking about how to commit bad actions. Or, you know, I suppose you could think that there were only 19 people in the whole wide world who would’ve possibly done what they did and luckily we got rid of them all in one day. Seems wishful to me though, given that we see thematically similar attacks on a weekly basis throughout the Muslim world. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    > Your airports have security because your leaders learned the same things on 9/11 that the US did. This isn’t accurate. Where I live, no ID is required for domestic flights and I walk through a metal detector. That’s it. New Zealand. The rules I face going international are to keep other countries happy and my 101ml of water and potential bomb shoes are a bad joke. The attack on the US isn’t something I’ve see replicated in the Middle East weekly that I’ve ever noticed. If TSA rules make you feel safe, I suppose that’s good. Unfortunately they fail at their role 95% if the time. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n3678 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-...
    - ethanbond 3y ago
      Huh somehow one of the closest US security allies, Five Eyes member NZ, isn’t subjugated by US security apparatus whims… almost like it has nothing to do with the US deciding other nations’ security regimes. Yes there are dozens of suicide attacks per year, and yes they are overwhelmingly throughout the Muslim world (not merely the Middle East). Security’s role is twofold: deterrence and prevention. You have no way of knowing what the deterrent effects are, which is why I asked if you’re of the belief that there were only 19 people willing to do what happened on 9/11 and we just happened to get rid of them all on the same day. Do you believe that or not?
      - lostlogin 3y ago
        I appear to misinterpreted what you said. Your initial comment appeared to me to be a reference to flying a hijacked plane into a building and that isn’t happening that often. Suicide attacks in general are common. Never talked about in the same context is the lone angry man with a gun as that is somehow that is unsolvable in the US. Fascinating how the TSA overreach and ineffectiveness is somehow required, yet the terror inflicted by the domestic problem of gunmen is not able to be addressed. Is it not terrorism? Do you believe the TSA is effective? The Department of Homeland Security don’t.
        3y ago