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I completely disagree with the premise of your comment. For years HTML has been evolving to take features that used to require heavy JavaScript (e.g. dialogs,

I completely disagree with the premise of your comment. For years HTML has been evolving to take features that used to require heavy JavaScript (e.g. dialogs, popovers, as recent examples) and make them available to authors without needing to use any JavaScript. HTML has enough of a complement from CSS/JS that it needs its own book. For example, semantic HTML doesn't make much sense in a JavaScript book. I end up going through the spec over and over again. Would rather have something open next to me on my desk.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> HTML has enough of a complement from CSS/JS that it needs its own book. There are tons of HTML-specific books, but complete/definitive ones will cover the DOM and other aspects of HTML that are only meaningful in the context of CSS and JS, and thus they will cover at least some CSS and JS, too. Not sure why you want a work to be marketed as “definitive” but also be woefully incomplete, but I think that there is a very good chance that the reason that book does not exist is that you would be the entire market for it.
- miiiiiike 3y ago
  > There are tons of HTML-specific books How many of those HTML books have been published since 2011? Have you read CSS or JavaScript The Definitive Guide? Complete? No. Useful? Yes.
  - egeozcan 3y ago
    One recent example (just a random search result): https://www.routledge.com/HTML-The-Ultimate-Guide/Uzayr/p/book/9781032413259 https://www.routledge.com/HTML-The-Ultimate-Guide/Uzayr/p/bo...
    - miiiiiike 3y ago
      404’d. Searching on that site tho, I’m seeing 2012, 2011, and 2014 for the HTML books. That’s my point, almost all of the books on HTML are 10+ years old at this point.
      - egeozcan 3y ago
        HTML The Ultimate Guide, By Sufyan bin Uzayr, Published July 28, 2023 by CRC Press ISBN 9781032413259 I also saw a lot of books from 2022.
        miiiiiike 3y ago
        Neat. I'll give it a look. edit I'm not being contrarian for the sake of it, but the book you posted is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that there aren't very many good books on HTML. Just scanning it I'm finding errors (technical, spelling, and grammar) and they didn't even attempt to format the code samples: https://imgur.com/a/pLnbxt0 https://imgur.com/a/pLnbxt0 Look at the TOC. I wouldn't call this an especially focused book. It's a hodgepodge of front-end dev topics. HTML is a tricky topic and it's not addressed well in any recent book I've seen. Watch Kevin Powell's video from yesterday: "Turns out I know less about HTML than I thought! " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPWlakxKRm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPWlakxKRm8 — and I guarantee that Kevin knows more than most. How are you finding the additional titles? The search on the link you posted earlier isn't surfacing anything recent or relevant when I search "HTML". Here, instead of search results, do you have an example of a good, recent, HTML book that you've found useful?

dragonwriter 3y ago

> HTML has enough of a complement from CSS/JS that it needs its own book. There are tons of HTML-specific books, but complete/definitive ones will cover the DOM and other aspects of HTML that are only meaningful in the context of CSS and JS, and thus they will cover at least some CSS and JS, too. Not sure why you want a work to be marketed as “definitive” but also be woefully incomplete, but I think that there is a very good chance that the reason that book does not exist is that you would be the entire market for it.

miiiiiike 3y ago
> There are tons of HTML-specific books How many of those HTML books have been published since 2011? Have you read CSS or JavaScript The Definitive Guide? Complete? No. Useful? Yes.
- egeozcan 3y ago
  One recent example (just a random search result): https://www.routledge.com/HTML-The-Ultimate-Guide/Uzayr/p/book/9781032413259 https://www.routledge.com/HTML-The-Ultimate-Guide/Uzayr/p/bo...
  - miiiiiike 3y ago
    404’d. Searching on that site tho, I’m seeing 2012, 2011, and 2014 for the HTML books. That’s my point, almost all of the books on HTML are 10+ years old at this point.
    - egeozcan 3y ago
      HTML The Ultimate Guide, By Sufyan bin Uzayr, Published July 28, 2023 by CRC Press ISBN 9781032413259 I also saw a lot of books from 2022.
      - miiiiiike 3y ago
        Neat. I'll give it a look. edit I'm not being contrarian for the sake of it, but the book you posted is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that there aren't very many good books on HTML. Just scanning it I'm finding errors (technical, spelling, and grammar) and they didn't even attempt to format the code samples: https://imgur.com/a/pLnbxt0 https://imgur.com/a/pLnbxt0 Look at the TOC. I wouldn't call this an especially focused book. It's a hodgepodge of front-end dev topics. HTML is a tricky topic and it's not addressed well in any recent book I've seen. Watch Kevin Powell's video from yesterday: "Turns out I know less about HTML than I thought! " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPWlakxKRm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPWlakxKRm8 — and I guarantee that Kevin knows more than most. How are you finding the additional titles? The search on the link you posted earlier isn't surfacing anything recent or relevant when I search "HTML". Here, instead of search results, do you have an example of a good, recent, HTML book that you've found useful?