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Artists generally want to have a diverse crowd in terms of disposable income, they don't want to have a crowd of just the people who can/will pay the most.

reidjs 3y ago
I don’t think the artist has much say in the matter at that scale
- fps-hero 3y ago
  Touring artist’s absolutely have a say in their ticket prices, after all it directly correlates to how much they will be paid. Once tickets are handed over to promoters and distributors then it becomes out of their control. Festival appearance rates are agreed on in advance of ticket sales, so tickets prices are the responsibility of festival organisers.
Buttons840 3y ago
Triple the ticket price but give half away by lottery. Although, I guess scalpers ruin lotteries as well :(
- armada651 3y ago
  The article itself mentions how scalpers just register hundreds or thousands of accounts to dramatically increase their odds at winning fan lotteries.
  - jppittma 3y ago
    Do fan-club registration in person.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      Then they just pay homeless people to register. Whatever clever you can come up with, they will figure out a way around it.
      - jppittma 3y ago
        They're going to pay thousands of homeless people to register for the fan clubs of how many artists? Nevermind the logistics of the hiring, the payment alone eats into the margin.
        nayuki 3y ago
        When you're rich, you can do that. Being rich, by definition, means having more options available to you. That's really what money is - a transferable token to persuade other people to do stuff on your behalf.
        lizknope 3y ago
        If the scalpers pay homeless people 10% of their profits rather than taking 100% then that's still better than the current situation.
        TeMPOraL 3y ago
        This gets more complicated as they may go after gig economy workers first. They're a perfect target: the scalper's deal would have better reward/effort ratio than Uber, DoorDash, Deliveroo, et al.; gig workers look "normal" in ways homeless don't, and are desperate for cash to keep them from becoming homeless. At that point, would scalper's contribution be net positive? Net better than it was? I'm not sure how to answer that.
      - rasz 3y ago
        Thats ok as long as those homeless will show up with a ticked and ID at the gate to enter the concert.
    - 13of40 3y ago
      Run it like an airline, where your name is on the ticket and you don't get in unless it matches your ID. Either that or your ID is the ticket. Just bloop that big barcode on the back of your ID with your phone when you buy the admission, then let the guy bloop it again at the door when you go to the show. That would make some scenarios harder, like the trope about your boss handing you two extra tickets she can't use, but there's probably some way to bloop around that without giving the scalpers unfettered bloops.
      - kelseyfrog 3y ago
        The downsides for ID-verified entry are shared with ID-required voting. Namely, if you are aware of intergroup variability in ID-having rates, is choosing it anyways a conscious discriminatory choice?
        xkjyeah 3y ago
        1/ attending a concert is not a civil right 2/ can't emphasize enough, but _get an ID_. While ID posession was used to discriminate against groups of people, the real problem here is "why doesn't everyone have an ID"?
        kelseyfrog 3y ago
        Right, but I didn't say that attending a concert is a civil right. I also didn't say what the real problem was. What I brought up was, knowing this, is still using ID discriminatory?
        notSupplied 3y ago
        Who knows, if voting doesn’t motivate them, but concerts do, maybe it will cause more people to get IDs. Isn’t that a good thing?
        13of40 3y ago
        Is it? In the US, I'm not aware of any way someone can legally drive, be employed, have a bank account, or get a cell phone without having an ID. At the same time, as long as you were registered at birth, getting an ID from scratch is a little bit of legwork and probably less than $100, and that's probably subsidized if you don't have income. The number of people walking around without an ID and no way to get one has to be vanishingly small. I'm sure there's a certain fringe of people who are undocumented, on the run from the law, or otherwise encumbered in their ability to get one, but how far should we bend over to get a ticket fee from those people? Edit: Dang it, the best answers always come after I close my laptop. "It would be discriminatory if the government didn't provide people a way to get ID. As a business owner, that's beyond the scope of my responsibility. Same as if someone showed up without $5 and wanted to buy a sandwich." ...is another way to look at it.
fps-hero 3y ago
Every action directed at making tickets more affordable will have the opposite effect of making scalping more profitable. Im amazed that a reverse auction style approach hasn’t caught on, when you are capacity limited it seems nearly optimal for extracting profit and kills the ticket scalping business model.
- slg 3y ago
  >it seems nearly optimal for extracting profit and kills the ticket scalping business model. Also seems nearly optimal for alienating all but your richest fans. The extra profit you might extract from the concert might not actually put you ahead in the long term when fans stop caring about you because of your profit maximizing business practices.
  - c-linkage 3y ago
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  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    What good is that when the scalpers and not your fans are the ones to benefit? All you're doing is screwing your fans even more because now they have to risk getting ripped off by a scam since tickets are only available from shady third party jerks. If demand is so high that people can't afford tickets and you want to do something for the fans, put the game in a bigger stadium.
    - slg 3y ago
      Because it is the scalpers charging that price and not the artist so people get angry at the scalpers and not the artist.
      - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
        So hire some designated middleman to wear a villain mustache and claim to be taking a huge cut on paper while actually giving all of the money back to the artist under NDA.

reidjs 3y ago

I don’t think the artist has much say in the matter at that scale

fps-hero 3y ago
Touring artist’s absolutely have a say in their ticket prices, after all it directly correlates to how much they will be paid. Once tickets are handed over to promoters and distributors then it becomes out of their control. Festival appearance rates are agreed on in advance of ticket sales, so tickets prices are the responsibility of festival organisers.

Buttons840 3y ago

Triple the ticket price but give half away by lottery. Although, I guess scalpers ruin lotteries as well :(

armada651 3y ago
The article itself mentions how scalpers just register hundreds or thousands of accounts to dramatically increase their odds at winning fan lotteries.
- jppittma 3y ago
  Do fan-club registration in person.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Then they just pay homeless people to register. Whatever clever you can come up with, they will figure out a way around it.
    - jppittma 3y ago
      They're going to pay thousands of homeless people to register for the fan clubs of how many artists? Nevermind the logistics of the hiring, the payment alone eats into the margin.
      - nayuki 3y ago
        When you're rich, you can do that. Being rich, by definition, means having more options available to you. That's really what money is - a transferable token to persuade other people to do stuff on your behalf.
      - lizknope 3y ago
        If the scalpers pay homeless people 10% of their profits rather than taking 100% then that's still better than the current situation.
        TeMPOraL 3y ago
        This gets more complicated as they may go after gig economy workers first. They're a perfect target: the scalper's deal would have better reward/effort ratio than Uber, DoorDash, Deliveroo, et al.; gig workers look "normal" in ways homeless don't, and are desperate for cash to keep them from becoming homeless. At that point, would scalper's contribution be net positive? Net better than it was? I'm not sure how to answer that.
    - rasz 3y ago
      Thats ok as long as those homeless will show up with a ticked and ID at the gate to enter the concert.
  - 13of40 3y ago
    Run it like an airline, where your name is on the ticket and you don't get in unless it matches your ID. Either that or your ID is the ticket. Just bloop that big barcode on the back of your ID with your phone when you buy the admission, then let the guy bloop it again at the door when you go to the show. That would make some scenarios harder, like the trope about your boss handing you two extra tickets she can't use, but there's probably some way to bloop around that without giving the scalpers unfettered bloops.
    - kelseyfrog 3y ago
      The downsides for ID-verified entry are shared with ID-required voting. Namely, if you are aware of intergroup variability in ID-having rates, is choosing it anyways a conscious discriminatory choice?
      - xkjyeah 3y ago
        1/ attending a concert is not a civil right 2/ can't emphasize enough, but _get an ID_. While ID posession was used to discriminate against groups of people, the real problem here is "why doesn't everyone have an ID"?
        kelseyfrog 3y ago
        Right, but I didn't say that attending a concert is a civil right. I also didn't say what the real problem was. What I brought up was, knowing this, is still using ID discriminatory?
        notSupplied 3y ago
        Who knows, if voting doesn’t motivate them, but concerts do, maybe it will cause more people to get IDs. Isn’t that a good thing?
        13of40 3y ago
        Is it? In the US, I'm not aware of any way someone can legally drive, be employed, have a bank account, or get a cell phone without having an ID. At the same time, as long as you were registered at birth, getting an ID from scratch is a little bit of legwork and probably less than $100, and that's probably subsidized if you don't have income. The number of people walking around without an ID and no way to get one has to be vanishingly small. I'm sure there's a certain fringe of people who are undocumented, on the run from the law, or otherwise encumbered in their ability to get one, but how far should we bend over to get a ticket fee from those people? Edit: Dang it, the best answers always come after I close my laptop. "It would be discriminatory if the government didn't provide people a way to get ID. As a business owner, that's beyond the scope of my responsibility. Same as if someone showed up without $5 and wanted to buy a sandwich." ...is another way to look at it.

fps-hero 3y ago

Every action directed at making tickets more affordable will have the opposite effect of making scalping more profitable. Im amazed that a reverse auction style approach hasn’t caught on, when you are capacity limited it seems nearly optimal for extracting profit and kills the ticket scalping business model.

slg 3y ago
>it seems nearly optimal for extracting profit and kills the ticket scalping business model. Also seems nearly optimal for alienating all but your richest fans. The extra profit you might extract from the concert might not actually put you ahead in the long term when fans stop caring about you because of your profit maximizing business practices.
- c-linkage 3y ago
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- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  What good is that when the scalpers and not your fans are the ones to benefit? All you're doing is screwing your fans even more because now they have to risk getting ripped off by a scam since tickets are only available from shady third party jerks. If demand is so high that people can't afford tickets and you want to do something for the fans, put the game in a bigger stadium.
  - slg 3y ago
    Because it is the scalpers charging that price and not the artist so people get angry at the scalpers and not the artist.
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      So hire some designated middleman to wear a villain mustache and claim to be taking a huge cut on paper while actually giving all of the money back to the artist under NDA.