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Fossil doesn’t have a dependency on chat, forum, wiki or issues. They’re included, part of the same product. But if you don’t want it, then you don’t have to u

Fossil doesn’t have a dependency on chat, forum, wiki or issues. They’re included, part of the same product. But if you don’t want it, then you don’t have to use it. Just like you don’t have to turn on the radio or AC in your car. Just like all the email related stuff in Git. And, just because they’re included doesn’t mean they detract the value of the other stuff that is there. A car without an AC isn’t better to drive than a car with an AC. And, just like a car comes with a radio and AC because you likely want those conviniences, fossil comes with issue tracking and wiki because you’re likely to want that for your project. Don’t have to use it, but it’s there if you do.

prepend 3y ago
> And, just because they’re included doesn’t mean they detract the value of the other stuff that is there. I think this is a philosophical preference. I think they do detract because they make the system more complex. And fossil developers work on that instead of the think I want. So there’s a cost there. Having an AC and radio in a car increases its price. Not by much but by something. If designers didn’t work in the AC, there would be something else they put in. Or the car would be simpler. I definitely want an AC in every car I buy. Maybe a radio. So I don’t mind they they’re bundled. I’m sure the people who want wikis and chat in every repo like it too. Good for them, use it. I wish them the best. I don’t like it and think it detracts from their product. I consider them more like project management or collab software with a custom vcm built in. And so I’d rather prefer some collab stack that uses the best vcm stack I think is out there, git. So they’re on a tough spot because they’d be better off just selling all their GitHub-competitor features without trying to convince people to switch off of git. Just like a car coffee maker company would be better off just making coffee makers they fit into popular cars rather than trying to make a literal car.
- sgbeal 3y ago
  > And fossil developers work on that instead of the think I want. While also inviting you to join the development team and scratch your own personal itches. The overwhelming majority of fossil features were implemented by someone scratching a personal itch, not someone scratching random internet-goers' itches.

prepend 3y ago

> And, just because they’re included doesn’t mean they detract the value of the other stuff that is there. I think this is a philosophical preference. I think they do detract because they make the system more complex. And fossil developers work on that instead of the think I want. So there’s a cost there. Having an AC and radio in a car increases its price. Not by much but by something. If designers didn’t work in the AC, there would be something else they put in. Or the car would be simpler. I definitely want an AC in every car I buy. Maybe a radio. So I don’t mind they they’re bundled. I’m sure the people who want wikis and chat in every repo like it too. Good for them, use it. I wish them the best. I don’t like it and think it detracts from their product. I consider them more like project management or collab software with a custom vcm built in. And so I’d rather prefer some collab stack that uses the best vcm stack I think is out there, git. So they’re on a tough spot because they’d be better off just selling all their GitHub-competitor features without trying to convince people to switch off of git. Just like a car coffee maker company would be better off just making coffee makers they fit into popular cars rather than trying to make a literal car.

sgbeal 3y ago
> And fossil developers work on that instead of the think I want. While also inviting you to join the development team and scratch your own personal itches. The overwhelming majority of fossil features were implemented by someone scratching a personal itch, not someone scratching random internet-goers' itches.