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I don't think they undergo hormonal treatment just to transition their gender.

by seethedeaduu 3y ago

GaggiX 3y ago
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- seethedeaduu 3y ago
  Gender-affirming care, also known as transition (transition what? Their sex!), is done in order to make trans people more comfortable in society, in their inner self (hormones affect mood, behavior, feelings, etc) and in their body by changing their sex. This is why they are prescribed sex hormones as these are what guides gene expression and decide sex-dependent characteristics. While some trans people would be content with just changing their physical appearance most of them seem to actually aim to change their sex.
  - voop 3y ago
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    - seethedeaduu 3y ago
      We are not discussing whether sex is a spectrum or not though. Was the nonbinary person that you talked with undergoing medical transition? If not this might explain their view.
      - voop 3y ago
        The wider point made in that piece is, it's impossible to change sex. For humans and other mammals at least.
        seethedeaduu 3y ago
        Let's agree to disagree. Out of curiosity, did you adopt this belief before or after talking with your friend?
      - GaggiX 3y ago
        (you are talking with another person, not me)
  - GaggiX 3y ago
    Gender-affirming care and gender transition (as the results on Google will call it if you accidentally search "sex transition"), none of this changes your sex, most mammals (including humans) have the XY sex determination system, taking estrogens or other hormones doesn't make you lose your Y and gain an extra X, nor does it make you start producing ova, the only difference is how you look and sound, which (hopefully) makes you more comfortable with your gender, and that's why it's called "gender-affirming care" and "gender transition".
GaggiX 3y ago
Well, one comment at the root was flagged and the thread was deleted, so hopefully I can reply to you here, plus you were starting to replying to another guy you thought he was me. My answer was: "Gender-affirming care and gender transition (as the results on Google will call it if you accidentally search "sex transition"), none of this changes your sex, most mammals (including humans) have the XY sex determination system, taking estrogens or other hormones doesn't make you lose your Y and gain an extra X, nor does it make you start producing ova, the only difference is how you look and sound, which (hopefully) makes you more comfortable with your gender, and that's why it's called "gender-affirming care" and "gender transition"."
- seethedeaduu 3y ago
  I don't understand the focus on genes that some people seem to be placing. After the gonads are formed the Y chromosome does not really matter (unless if you have a particularly nasty mutation). All Y does is carry the SRY gene. If you did magically managed to lose your Y chromosome would that make you a woman? No! You would stay a man and literally nothing would change in your life. Same goes if you have two X chromosomes and one magically gets replaced with a Y. I am also worried about the focus on genes given the existence of intersex people. It's especially weird since sex categories existed long before the creation of modern biology and at least for some people the term sex got redefined to exclude certain men and women who often don't even realize it. The term gender affirming care seems accurate to me, as part of affirming their gender, trans people (who used to be called transsexual) attempt to transition so that their sex matches their gender identity. On the other hand, the term gender transition seems to include both sex changes and social transition. I should also mention that estrogen when does not change how you sound, it does however cause other changes not related to one's appearance.
  - GaggiX 3y ago
    XY sex-determination system is based on the fact that the chromosomes one has at birth cannot change naturally throughout their lifetime, so magical or hypothetical scenarios where chromosomes can be altered doesn't align with our current scientific understanding, but if it makes you happier, sure, in a magic world humans would be able to change their sex. Also, I don't see how the existence of intersex people should be somewhat problematic in this regard, intersex is a congenital condition, like people who are born with six fingers, that doesn't make the fact that humans have 5 fingers controversial. To be honest I think I'm kind of stating the obvious and most people (trans people included obv) would agree with me, which is why they use "gender affirming care", "gender transition" and "transgender" (instead of transsexual which is in fact seen as an outdated term). If you don't care about true biological data (plural of datum), but only the opinions of trans people, I can ask my trans friends (one nonbinary and two trans women) what they think about it, even though I actually know them well, and they would agree with me.

I don't think they undergo hormonal treatment just to transition their gender.

GaggiX 3y ago

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seethedeaduu 3y ago
Gender-affirming care, also known as transition (transition what? Their sex!), is done in order to make trans people more comfortable in society, in their inner self (hormones affect mood, behavior, feelings, etc) and in their body by changing their sex. This is why they are prescribed sex hormones as these are what guides gene expression and decide sex-dependent characteristics. While some trans people would be content with just changing their physical appearance most of them seem to actually aim to change their sex.
- voop 3y ago
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  - seethedeaduu 3y ago
    We are not discussing whether sex is a spectrum or not though. Was the nonbinary person that you talked with undergoing medical transition? If not this might explain their view.
    - voop 3y ago
      The wider point made in that piece is, it's impossible to change sex. For humans and other mammals at least.
      - seethedeaduu 3y ago
        Let's agree to disagree. Out of curiosity, did you adopt this belief before or after talking with your friend?
    - GaggiX 3y ago
      (you are talking with another person, not me)
- GaggiX 3y ago
  Gender-affirming care and gender transition (as the results on Google will call it if you accidentally search "sex transition"), none of this changes your sex, most mammals (including humans) have the XY sex determination system, taking estrogens or other hormones doesn't make you lose your Y and gain an extra X, nor does it make you start producing ova, the only difference is how you look and sound, which (hopefully) makes you more comfortable with your gender, and that's why it's called "gender-affirming care" and "gender transition".

GaggiX 3y ago

Well, one comment at the root was flagged and the thread was deleted, so hopefully I can reply to you here, plus you were starting to replying to another guy you thought he was me. My answer was: "Gender-affirming care and gender transition (as the results on Google will call it if you accidentally search "sex transition"), none of this changes your sex, most mammals (including humans) have the XY sex determination system, taking estrogens or other hormones doesn't make you lose your Y and gain an extra X, nor does it make you start producing ova, the only difference is how you look and sound, which (hopefully) makes you more comfortable with your gender, and that's why it's called "gender-affirming care" and "gender transition"."

seethedeaduu 3y ago
I don't understand the focus on genes that some people seem to be placing. After the gonads are formed the Y chromosome does not really matter (unless if you have a particularly nasty mutation). All Y does is carry the SRY gene. If you did magically managed to lose your Y chromosome would that make you a woman? No! You would stay a man and literally nothing would change in your life. Same goes if you have two X chromosomes and one magically gets replaced with a Y. I am also worried about the focus on genes given the existence of intersex people. It's especially weird since sex categories existed long before the creation of modern biology and at least for some people the term sex got redefined to exclude certain men and women who often don't even realize it. The term gender affirming care seems accurate to me, as part of affirming their gender, trans people (who used to be called transsexual) attempt to transition so that their sex matches their gender identity. On the other hand, the term gender transition seems to include both sex changes and social transition. I should also mention that estrogen when does not change how you sound, it does however cause other changes not related to one's appearance.
- GaggiX 3y ago
  XY sex-determination system is based on the fact that the chromosomes one has at birth cannot change naturally throughout their lifetime, so magical or hypothetical scenarios where chromosomes can be altered doesn't align with our current scientific understanding, but if it makes you happier, sure, in a magic world humans would be able to change their sex. Also, I don't see how the existence of intersex people should be somewhat problematic in this regard, intersex is a congenital condition, like people who are born with six fingers, that doesn't make the fact that humans have 5 fingers controversial. To be honest I think I'm kind of stating the obvious and most people (trans people included obv) would agree with me, which is why they use "gender affirming care", "gender transition" and "transgender" (instead of transsexual which is in fact seen as an outdated term). If you don't care about true biological data (plural of datum), but only the opinions of trans people, I can ask my trans friends (one nonbinary and two trans women) what they think about it, even though I actually know them well, and they would agree with me.