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Wow this is an incredibly grim line of argument: * These are tiny tribes [because the United States committed genocide on them, stole their children to be rape

Wow this is an incredibly grim line of argument: * These are tiny tribes [because the United States committed genocide on them, stole their children to be raped, tortured, and murdered en masse] * These people are just casino operators [because the United States made their food supply extinct, banned them from any valuable land, and ultimately confined them to concentration camps on the worst plots of land we could find] * Therefore, it just makes sense that the United States retain total control over this final plot of land It’s not clear to me how we should handle this history and how it should bear on present day concerns, but the argument that effectively “we were close enough to a successful genocide that we might as well not pretend otherwise” is pretty astounding.

tennisball3 3y ago
Your first bullet point here is basically entirely fiction, none of those accusations are factual. The small number of people relevant to this land-grab are, very literally, casino operators. This wasn't a general commentary on Indian casinos, this is literally people who were born into the privileged position of inheriting generational wealth and privileged legal rights. If you ignore that you've been conditioned through years of propaganda to see an overly simplified and exaggerated system of "Indians good, European immigrants bad", then this gets trickier when you realize you're basically arguing in favor of some trust fund kids to get more powerful because of who their great-grandparents were, a system which I'm confident you'd oppose if it were a different set of kids born feeling entitled to land, wealth and political power.
- anon84873628 3y ago
  I wish I could remember the name of the documentary I watched about youth in one of the Klamath tribes. It would certainly change your perception of "people born into privilege". That may be true for a small number of people, but not the majority.
- llamaimperative 3y ago
  > The small number of people relevant to this land-grab are, very literally, casino operators. This wasn't a general commentary on Indian casinos, this is literally people who were born into the privileged position of inheriting generational wealth and privileged legal rights. Sure… downstream of a genocide. I’m not saying the rights aren’t complicated or they aren’t casino operators. I’m saying both of those are a direct consequence of genocide. > Your first bullet point here is basically entirely fiction, none of those accusations are factual. No, it’s really not. Did the boarding schools not exist? Did the reservation I was born in not exist? Did the one that I grew up next to with suicide rates 2x any nearby district not exist? Are the migrating megafauna still roaming or are they extinct or so close to extinction they must be protected? Are the rivers still flowing or have they been dammed?

tennisball3 3y ago

Your first bullet point here is basically entirely fiction, none of those accusations are factual. The small number of people relevant to this land-grab are, very literally, casino operators. This wasn't a general commentary on Indian casinos, this is literally people who were born into the privileged position of inheriting generational wealth and privileged legal rights. If you ignore that you've been conditioned through years of propaganda to see an overly simplified and exaggerated system of "Indians good, European immigrants bad", then this gets trickier when you realize you're basically arguing in favor of some trust fund kids to get more powerful because of who their great-grandparents were, a system which I'm confident you'd oppose if it were a different set of kids born feeling entitled to land, wealth and political power.

anon84873628 3y ago
I wish I could remember the name of the documentary I watched about youth in one of the Klamath tribes. It would certainly change your perception of "people born into privilege". That may be true for a small number of people, but not the majority.
llamaimperative 3y ago
> The small number of people relevant to this land-grab are, very literally, casino operators. This wasn't a general commentary on Indian casinos, this is literally people who were born into the privileged position of inheriting generational wealth and privileged legal rights. Sure… downstream of a genocide. I’m not saying the rights aren’t complicated or they aren’t casino operators. I’m saying both of those are a direct consequence of genocide. > Your first bullet point here is basically entirely fiction, none of those accusations are factual. No, it’s really not. Did the boarding schools not exist? Did the reservation I was born in not exist? Did the one that I grew up next to with suicide rates 2x any nearby district not exist? Are the migrating megafauna still roaming or are they extinct or so close to extinction they must be protected? Are the rivers still flowing or have they been dammed?