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That's BS; we use the 2-day shipping and need nothing else, bundling everything like that should be illegal.

by gigel82 3y ago

bombcar 3y ago
You don’t even get the two day anymore, it’s basically worthless for shipping anymore.
- spike021 3y ago
  I've been really surprised lately how often I go to a product page, see "Prime 2-day shipping, fulfilled by Amazon" and when I order it often takes ~5 days to get my order. Definitely picking the shipped/sold by Amazon listings too, not third party marketplace ones. I'm in the Bay Area, so not a remote area either. Also if I check the tracking, it's not that it gets stuck in the Bay, like if it's just a busy week of deliveries and they couldn't move mine; the order will get stuck in some random state in the country and not move, or sometimes it ends up in some other hub like in Florida or something despite starting in the Midwest. Or it just takes 3-4 days to ship from the warehouse. I wonder if some products just don't get marked as backordered and so it's a matter of Amazon needing to wait for stock to come in. Or they're just not guaranteeing 2-day delivery anymore.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Where I am they have pretty accurate delivery dates, they’re just “prime” and something like “early next week”. It’s annoying and makes Walmart just as good or better many times.
  - gs17 3y ago
    >Or they're just not guaranteeing 2-day delivery anymore. They haven't been, in my experience. They used to throw you a free month (or more) when you complain it took a week, now they just kind of say you could return it if you want. Very late items sometimes do get a refund, but that's rare.
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  I can regularly get same day and 1 day shipping in my city.
version_five 3y ago
I stopped using prime probably five years ago precisely because it became a bunch of stuff I didn't want and the shipping options got eroded. Most stuff seemed to be "add on" or "not available for prime" and without prime you get free shipping if you order enough anyway. I value the other stuff at zero. Amazon has become garbage anyway, I buy stuff at retail stores now. What all this really means is that the "disruption" from free money is over and new economy businesses are resorting to the same legacy business crap in order to try and make money.
jrockway 3y ago
I don't mind the free Twitch subscription once a month. But yeah, I think there's a world where every large company doesn't have to be in every area of business, and in that world, Amazon doesn't need to be making TV shows. I'm not even sure what benefits Amazon derives from AWS and Amazon.com being the same company anymore. I used to be a huge fan of vertical integration, but like it less and less as I get older. What I've seen with vertical integration is that if one part of the company blows up, then all the other parts go away too. Meanwhile, a good standard lasts forever. I have used seemingly millions of proprietary chat apps over the years, but the one that has kept working for decades is plain old email. It always works. The PSTN is also great. I can call anyone in the world, no matter what service provider I have or what service provider they have. You just type the numbers and it works. Sure, there's spam. I think I can deal with the spam better than "sorry, we need to cut costs this quarter so X is gone". Something else I was thinking about is the advantage for the company itself. Imagine you're a software engineer on AWS, but really want to work on Twitch. Easy, it's just an internal transfer! You show up at a new desk tomorrow with the same compensation and benefits as you had before. But if they were separate companies, you'd interview with Twitch, they'd call back and say "we loved you, when can you start" and then you get the chance to negotiate a higher salary. With internal transfers, you get "that's impossible, there is nothing we can do if you want more". Good for the shareholders, bad for software engineers.
- q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 3y ago
  > Easy, it's just an internal transfer! At most BlubCo-type companies these days, an internal transfer often involves all the fun of the interview loop, while getting to skip all the hassle of negotiating a higher salary.
  - jrockway 3y ago
    I dunno, I did two transfers while I was at Google. They were both very easy on my part.
BeetleB 3y ago
The mistake people often make is to assume that the price would be cheaper without bundling.

That's BS; we use the 2-day shipping and need nothing else, bundling everything like that should be illegal.

bombcar 3y ago

You don’t even get the two day anymore, it’s basically worthless for shipping anymore.

spike021 3y ago
I've been really surprised lately how often I go to a product page, see "Prime 2-day shipping, fulfilled by Amazon" and when I order it often takes ~5 days to get my order. Definitely picking the shipped/sold by Amazon listings too, not third party marketplace ones. I'm in the Bay Area, so not a remote area either. Also if I check the tracking, it's not that it gets stuck in the Bay, like if it's just a busy week of deliveries and they couldn't move mine; the order will get stuck in some random state in the country and not move, or sometimes it ends up in some other hub like in Florida or something despite starting in the Midwest. Or it just takes 3-4 days to ship from the warehouse. I wonder if some products just don't get marked as backordered and so it's a matter of Amazon needing to wait for stock to come in. Or they're just not guaranteeing 2-day delivery anymore.
- bombcar 3y ago
  Where I am they have pretty accurate delivery dates, they’re just “prime” and something like “early next week”. It’s annoying and makes Walmart just as good or better many times.
- gs17 3y ago
  >Or they're just not guaranteeing 2-day delivery anymore. They haven't been, in my experience. They used to throw you a free month (or more) when you complain it took a week, now they just kind of say you could return it if you want. Very late items sometimes do get a refund, but that's rare.
nickthegreek 3y ago
I can regularly get same day and 1 day shipping in my city.

version_five 3y ago

I stopped using prime probably five years ago precisely because it became a bunch of stuff I didn't want and the shipping options got eroded. Most stuff seemed to be "add on" or "not available for prime" and without prime you get free shipping if you order enough anyway. I value the other stuff at zero. Amazon has become garbage anyway, I buy stuff at retail stores now. What all this really means is that the "disruption" from free money is over and new economy businesses are resorting to the same legacy business crap in order to try and make money.

jrockway 3y ago

I don't mind the free Twitch subscription once a month. But yeah, I think there's a world where every large company doesn't have to be in every area of business, and in that world, Amazon doesn't need to be making TV shows. I'm not even sure what benefits Amazon derives from AWS and Amazon.com being the same company anymore. I used to be a huge fan of vertical integration, but like it less and less as I get older. What I've seen with vertical integration is that if one part of the company blows up, then all the other parts go away too. Meanwhile, a good standard lasts forever. I have used seemingly millions of proprietary chat apps over the years, but the one that has kept working for decades is plain old email. It always works. The PSTN is also great. I can call anyone in the world, no matter what service provider I have or what service provider they have. You just type the numbers and it works. Sure, there's spam. I think I can deal with the spam better than "sorry, we need to cut costs this quarter so X is gone". Something else I was thinking about is the advantage for the company itself. Imagine you're a software engineer on AWS, but really want to work on Twitch. Easy, it's just an internal transfer! You show up at a new desk tomorrow with the same compensation and benefits as you had before. But if they were separate companies, you'd interview with Twitch, they'd call back and say "we loved you, when can you start" and then you get the chance to negotiate a higher salary. With internal transfers, you get "that's impossible, there is nothing we can do if you want more". Good for the shareholders, bad for software engineers.

q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 3y ago
> Easy, it's just an internal transfer! At most BlubCo-type companies these days, an internal transfer often involves all the fun of the interview loop, while getting to skip all the hassle of negotiating a higher salary.
- jrockway 3y ago
  I dunno, I did two transfers while I was at Google. They were both very easy on my part.

BeetleB 3y ago

The mistake people often make is to assume that the price would be cheaper without bundling.