7 ms·
This reminds me of one of my former ESPN co-workers - Mike Davidson[1] - who founded of one of the first community news sites (Newsvine[2]) back in 2006. Newsv
by kareemm 3y ago
This reminds me of one of my former ESPN co-workers - Mike Davidson[1] - who founded of one of the first community news sites (Newsvine[2]) back in 2006.
Newsvine had comments and upvotes and link submissions and posts - it was very reddit-esque except it was focused around the news. The team had to have a way to deal with spammers and trolls. They found the most effective way was to flag a user as a troll on the Newsvine backend. If the troll flag was set to true, Newsvine would add a random 10-60 second delay to every page load for the troll's account. IIRC it solved the problem pretty effectively.
1- http://mikeindustries.com/blog/ http://mikeindustries.com/blog/
2- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsvine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsvine
- rmwaite 3y agoI loved Newsvine. It seemed so innovative and inviting.
- a_e_k 3y agoBy that standard, I think that the new Reddit mobile UI must consider everyone a troll.
- thomastjeffery 3y agoEveryone who doesn't just replace www with old
- pantalaimon 3y agoThere used to be i.reddit.com for the old mobile UI but they shut it down
- pwdisswordfishc 3y agoActually still accessible: https://reddit.com/.i https://reddit.com/.i
- adhamsalama 3y agoClicking on any post leads to the new design. :(
- pantalaimon 3y agoAppending the .i to any link works - it's clumsy, but still less so than the new design.
- edgyquant 3y agoJust stop using Reddit instead of fighting it
- paulryanrogers 3y agoSounds like an idea for a webextension
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- pea 3y agoI built a custom stylesheet which makes old reddit mobile friendly (basically to look like an app). I'll throw it up if anyone is interested, I was going to build a webview app which just uses old reddit to provide an app-like experience.
- matheist 3y agoI'm interested!
- tareqak 3y agoHow would this work for something like Twitter/X when accounting for individuals serving the US government? Someone could be flagged as a troll on the backend for unrelated reasons, but now their experience in communicating with someone in government is delayed. I understand that a delay is not the same thing as a block, but I wonder if the damage to the user’s experience is sufficiently similar for a federal judge.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- petre 3y agoDon't use Twitter for government comms I guess? It's a private system with its own rules. They can degrade the experience as much as they like if the system flags one as a troll, regardless of their being part of an organization.
- tareqak 3y agoWell, here is the thing: maybe a troll can use the idea that a comments on a government official's account is a public forum and demand that the third party remove the troll flag, or demand that the troll flag be ignored for government accounts. > U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald in Manhattan ruled on May 23 that comments on the president's account, and those of other government officials, were public forums and that blocking Twitter Inc TWTR.N users for their views violated their right to free speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-trump-twitter-idINKBN1KV2DP https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-trump-twitter-idINKBN1KV... In the above case, the block was executed by the account holder who was a government official. Having the service provider flag a user as a troll and degrading their experience might be acceptable for comments on non-government accounts, but if a federal judge "flags" government accounts as public forums in a US court of law, then the service provider is now creating additional friction for a user participating in a public forum. We have had political candidates and politicians like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez doing AMAs on Reddit, so what I am describing is not a far-fetched hypothetical: https://old.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/6ftvhu/hey_reddit_i_am_alexandria_ocasiocortez_us/ https://old.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/6ftvhu... .
- ksey3 3y agoSpam and trolling even happens on a physical newspapers/radio/tv/books/magazines. Its just that you have to pay to do it. The rich/ceremonial/leisure classes have through out history been constantly spamming everyone with whatever shit occurs to their 3 inch brains, because they can afford to buy the largest amount of attention. To bad there is not enough attention for anything anymore cause production of content is happening at volumes that dwarf Consumption of content. If 99% of comments and links on HN are not read by anyone, do you think the great geniuses who run HN will tell you that? Whats the use of such systems no one asks. They want to just keep it alive like some dumb engineers in the control room of Jurassic Park after the children are lost and the T Rex is loose. The platforms, without knowing what the fuck they are building, have made it Free for everyone to Broadcast. So its now not just the rich who are spamming and trolling. Its everyone. For free. All you get is noise. Read the UN Report on the Attention Economy. One dimensional software engineers now have capability to build and scale systems quickly. Thats the only reason we have these dumb fucking mindless systems wasting everyones time and energy.
- skrebbel 3y agoSpam filter idea: posts with bad interpunction are likely content-free angry ramblings!
- hutzlibu 3y agoYeah, but in the long run (or very soon), you might have to use grammar misstakes as a captcha, to seperate bots from humans.
- YoshiRulz 3y ago> misstakes > seperate I see what you did there. Please never implement that idea though, it would be like the opposite of https://xkcd.com/810 https://xkcd.com/810.
- hutzlibu 3y agoI am pretty sure, it is already in use. But of course it would be trivial to modify the llm output, to include random misstakes, if this ever would become a standard way of dealing with bots.
- theknocker 3y ago[dead]