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Anyone with a brain can and does use Linux, I guess the disappointing part is how many people are walking around without one.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
"Anyone with a brain" is not the same as "Anyone confident in using their BIOS and editing the EFI partition/partition table." Because, at the bare minimum if nothing else goes wrong, that's what you need to dual boot Linux + Windows. Windows and Linux updates will both periodically wipe each other's entries without a very careful manual config. And if you can't set up that perfect config first time, well, I guess the user is stupid. > are walking around without one. Even in jest, this kind of arrogance and abrasiveness is what I really dislike about the linux community, especially at the upper levels. Especially the "What, you don't already know how to do X?" and the immature insults coming from adult developers.
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- Nullabillity 3y ago
  > Because, at the bare minimum if nothing else goes wrong, that's what you need to dual boot Linux + Windows. Newbie-oriented distros like Ubuntu will do this for you automatically. > Windows and Linux updates will both periodically wipe each other's entries without a very careful manual config. Not really, on a modern UEFI system. Windows may occasionally set itself as the default, but the Linux entry will still be installed as an option you can select in the UEFI firmware settings. Linux shouldn't be "wiping out" anything. Typically you want GRUB to be your default bootloader, and chainload from there to Windows as desired. Again, any competent newbie-oriented distro will do this for you.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    > will still be installed as an option you can select in the UEFI firmware settings. Exactly. But to the first time user, their linux has disappeared, and they have to go look up what happened, then they have to figure out how to get into their motherboard's boot menu... and by now, you lost 99% of users. And I recently had my (systemd-boot) Windows entry fail on the linux side and had to go in and fix it. Not sure about GRUB these days. This is a microcosm of linux. Things just work if you go in and fix this little thing here and there, but most people don't do and won't do any kind of maintenance like this.
    - j-bos 3y ago
      If they don't know how to select the OS at startup, why are they dual booting?
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Gud 3y ago
I know plenty of more intelligent people than me who don’t use Linux. Just because you’re Willing to spend time to tinker with some obscure OS doesn’t make you smart… some would argue its a big waste of time. Not me though, I’ve been an obscure OS tinkerer for 20+ years XD

brucethemoose2 3y ago

"Anyone with a brain" is not the same as "Anyone confident in using their BIOS and editing the EFI partition/partition table." Because, at the bare minimum if nothing else goes wrong, that's what you need to dual boot Linux + Windows. Windows and Linux updates will both periodically wipe each other's entries without a very careful manual config. And if you can't set up that perfect config first time, well, I guess the user is stupid. > are walking around without one. Even in jest, this kind of arrogance and abrasiveness is what I really dislike about the linux community, especially at the upper levels. Especially the "What, you don't already know how to do X?" and the immature insults coming from adult developers.

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Nullabillity 3y ago
> Because, at the bare minimum if nothing else goes wrong, that's what you need to dual boot Linux + Windows. Newbie-oriented distros like Ubuntu will do this for you automatically. > Windows and Linux updates will both periodically wipe each other's entries without a very careful manual config. Not really, on a modern UEFI system. Windows may occasionally set itself as the default, but the Linux entry will still be installed as an option you can select in the UEFI firmware settings. Linux shouldn't be "wiping out" anything. Typically you want GRUB to be your default bootloader, and chainload from there to Windows as desired. Again, any competent newbie-oriented distro will do this for you.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  > will still be installed as an option you can select in the UEFI firmware settings. Exactly. But to the first time user, their linux has disappeared, and they have to go look up what happened, then they have to figure out how to get into their motherboard's boot menu... and by now, you lost 99% of users. And I recently had my (systemd-boot) Windows entry fail on the linux side and had to go in and fix it. Not sure about GRUB these days. This is a microcosm of linux. Things just work if you go in and fix this little thing here and there, but most people don't do and won't do any kind of maintenance like this.
  - j-bos 3y ago
    If they don't know how to select the OS at startup, why are they dual booting?

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Gud 3y ago

I know plenty of more intelligent people than me who don’t use Linux. Just because you’re Willing to spend time to tinker with some obscure OS doesn’t make you smart… some would argue its a big waste of time. Not me though, I’ve been an obscure OS tinkerer for 20+ years XD