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"We do not seek the permission of other governments and can no longer wait to act to preserve and protect this culturally and ecologically important place" Thi

"We do not seek the permission of other governments and can no longer wait to act to preserve and protect this culturally and ecologically important place" This is SOP for California politics. CA jurisdictions have been ceding territory to Indian tribes for a while. This is purely an economically motivated cash grab layered under miles of politically correct double-speak. There is an indian tribe in Montana that has a massive coal mine that wanted to run a rail line to a port through the area that was shut down last year. This is possibly another strategy to do the same thing.

genter 3y ago
I don't know what economic value this part of the ocean has. There aren't any fish left. We're currently in the planning stage of a wind farm here, but that's in deeper water outside of this zone.
- thghtihadanacct 3y ago
  Do you live on the California coast? There are plenty of fish, mostly because of so many protected areas. Maybe you are talking about commercial trawlers or something but if its coming to subsistence fishing there is more than enough to eat. Apparently, these groups claim they know how to harvest mussels during blooms ... Maybe they are immune to cyanotoxins etc. I just wonder where they have been practicing.
zopa 3y ago
Sure but also; > and be it further resolved, these waters are also claimed by the State of California, who through its California Natural Resources Agency Pathways to 30x30: Accelerating Conservation of California’s Nature Report, support the concept of Indigenous Marine Stewardship Do you have any evidence pointing towards this being a money grab? That’s a serious accusation.
- redavni 3y ago
  Yes, the evidence is that they said it in the same press release. "Tribal and State co-management of critical ecosystems to protect and support cultural lifeways and economies" Follow the money. Everything else is bullshit.
  - zopa 3y ago
    The evidence is that they used the word “economies?” Am I missing something? To me that line reads as “some of our people fish a bit.”
- thghtihadanacct 3y ago
  Dont forget Newsome wanting to give $100M+ to tribes to buy back 'ancestral land' despite multiple groups claiming ancestry. Sounds like a money grab to me
  - zopa 3y ago
    I’m not in California so I don’t know about that proposal. But it sounds like a separate issue. Does it even involve the same tribes? I’m asking, as gently as I know how, if there’s anything here besides “because they’re Indians.” Because that’s not a very good reason.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > I’m not in California so I don’t know about that proposal. Its not a proposal, it is a program established by law and which the first deadline for the early round of grants has already passed. > Does it even involve the same tribes? Potentially, since the grant program is open to all California tribes, whether or not federally recognized. The joint declaration here could plausibly be a foundation for the tribes to establish one or more projects within the declared protected area and apply for grants to carry them out, so it could be directly related.
      - thghtihadanacct 3y ago
        Thanks for sharing the information. It appears not only do they not have to be federally recognized to apply but they can also apply if they are a 501c3 corporation. I would like to see some nature restoration, tribal based or otherwise, and hope this resource is used properly.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Dont forget Newsome Newsom… > wanting to give $100M+ to tribes to buy back ‘ancestral land’ …proposing, and the legislature establishing, a $101M grant program for tribes to carry out “multi-benefit nature-based solutions projects located within the state of California.” [0] It is not solely or primarily for acquiring land, and to the extent land is acquired, it may or may not be ancestral land. (There is a separate and earlier deadline within the program for grants applications for up to $25M of “Time-Sensitive Shovel Ready Ancestral Land Return Projects” for projects that meet that description and are already partially funded and which also meet the other requirements of the program.) > despite multiple groups claiming ancestry. To the extent projects under the grant program are ancestral land return projects, and are in “shared ancestral territority”, there is explicit approval priority for those which “will be jointly owned and/or managed by inter-tribal consortium, tribal conservation district, or partnership”. [0] Program homepage: https://resources.ca.gov/Initiatives/Tribalaffairs/Tribal-Nature-Based-Solutions-Program https://resources.ca.gov/Initiatives/Tribalaffairs/Tribal-Na...

genter 3y ago

I don't know what economic value this part of the ocean has. There aren't any fish left. We're currently in the planning stage of a wind farm here, but that's in deeper water outside of this zone.

thghtihadanacct 3y ago
Do you live on the California coast? There are plenty of fish, mostly because of so many protected areas. Maybe you are talking about commercial trawlers or something but if its coming to subsistence fishing there is more than enough to eat. Apparently, these groups claim they know how to harvest mussels during blooms ... Maybe they are immune to cyanotoxins etc. I just wonder where they have been practicing.

zopa 3y ago

Sure but also; > and be it further resolved, these waters are also claimed by the State of California, who through its California Natural Resources Agency Pathways to 30x30: Accelerating Conservation of California’s Nature Report, support the concept of Indigenous Marine Stewardship Do you have any evidence pointing towards this being a money grab? That’s a serious accusation.

redavni 3y ago
Yes, the evidence is that they said it in the same press release. "Tribal and State co-management of critical ecosystems to protect and support cultural lifeways and economies" Follow the money. Everything else is bullshit.
- zopa 3y ago
  The evidence is that they used the word “economies?” Am I missing something? To me that line reads as “some of our people fish a bit.”
thghtihadanacct 3y ago
Dont forget Newsome wanting to give $100M+ to tribes to buy back 'ancestral land' despite multiple groups claiming ancestry. Sounds like a money grab to me
- zopa 3y ago
  I’m not in California so I don’t know about that proposal. But it sounds like a separate issue. Does it even involve the same tribes? I’m asking, as gently as I know how, if there’s anything here besides “because they’re Indians.” Because that’s not a very good reason.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > I’m not in California so I don’t know about that proposal. Its not a proposal, it is a program established by law and which the first deadline for the early round of grants has already passed. > Does it even involve the same tribes? Potentially, since the grant program is open to all California tribes, whether or not federally recognized. The joint declaration here could plausibly be a foundation for the tribes to establish one or more projects within the declared protected area and apply for grants to carry them out, so it could be directly related.
    - thghtihadanacct 3y ago
      Thanks for sharing the information. It appears not only do they not have to be federally recognized to apply but they can also apply if they are a 501c3 corporation. I would like to see some nature restoration, tribal based or otherwise, and hope this resource is used properly.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Dont forget Newsome Newsom… > wanting to give $100M+ to tribes to buy back ‘ancestral land’ …proposing, and the legislature establishing, a $101M grant program for tribes to carry out “multi-benefit nature-based solutions projects located within the state of California.” [0] It is not solely or primarily for acquiring land, and to the extent land is acquired, it may or may not be ancestral land. (There is a separate and earlier deadline within the program for grants applications for up to $25M of “Time-Sensitive Shovel Ready Ancestral Land Return Projects” for projects that meet that description and are already partially funded and which also meet the other requirements of the program.) > despite multiple groups claiming ancestry. To the extent projects under the grant program are ancestral land return projects, and are in “shared ancestral territority”, there is explicit approval priority for those which “will be jointly owned and/or managed by inter-tribal consortium, tribal conservation district, or partnership”. [0] Program homepage: https://resources.ca.gov/Initiatives/Tribalaffairs/Tribal-Nature-Based-Solutions-Program https://resources.ca.gov/Initiatives/Tribalaffairs/Tribal-Na...