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I don't understand some people here that are clapping apple for DRM their devices as kind of protection from thefts. There is a way to have a cookie and eat it

by pzo 3y ago

I don't understand some people here that are clapping apple for DRM their devices as kind of protection from thefts. There is a way to have a cookie and eat it too in this case if they would allow user easily to remove DRM via iCloud or even better when disconnecting from iCloud. In the last 10 years I never had any electronics stolen from me but almost every smartphone got broken in some way: worn out USB/lightning port, broken battery, broken screen, shattered glass, broken Face Id. Imagine if we would apply the same scenario for human organ transplants. Let's enforce (using similar logic) that after someone dies we throw such body straight to oven to burn it because there exist in the world illegal human organs trade - no even if you want to be an organ donor after your death you can't because we want to remove incentive for illegal human organs trade! /s

fragmede 3y ago
Given that human organs can currently only be created inside humans, and not mechanically in factories like iphone components can be, I'm not sure that scenario really tells us anything. I can imagine reading a dystopian scifi novel about it though. (making organs the human body can use, instead of harvesting them from a donor body is a fascinating area of research! https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/bladder-grown-from-3d-bioprinted-tissue-continues-to-function-after-14-years-139631/ https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/bladder-grown-from-3d-bi...)
- pzo 3y ago
  Then imagine future were we made progress and can make organs the human use in some biolab. Would you still prefer to enforce burning human body after death just to (supposed to) avoid illegal human organ trade? What if the company that create such human body organs biolab has monopoly on it, can charge anything they want and force you to use their own privately owned hospitals and their certified doctors for transplant operation? I definitely wouldn't want to live in such a world.
  - itishappy 3y ago
    It's for your own good! Our manufactured organs are designed and tested to ensure consistant quality, you don't want to know what Dave's been doing to his liver these past 20 years. There's probably a point I could be trying to make, but I have yet to figure out what it is.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Trying to invoke taboos about human remains is weird. There are plenty of things that apply to cellphones that don't apply to human bodies and vice versa. It sounds like a skit out of "Who's line is it anyway". Still, cremation happens in many cultures around the world, for various reasons. Fascinatingly, in the distant past, protecting cadavers was actually a thing! They used to have to have guards, among other methods, to protect the bodies of the deceased from being used for scientific research in the 18 and 19th century.
itishappy 3y ago
Does it actually deter thieves? I can't imagine their decision making process goes much beyond "that looks expensive." Maybe I'm just not cutout to be a theif. A quick search has turned up little, but I'm curious if anybody collects statistics. It feels like it should be easy to show a drop in theft when Apple released Activation Lock, right?
- nemothekid 3y ago
  I think it's less you are cutout for a thief, and you just not considering thieves are real people with functioning brains. Any rational human will do some risk/reward analysis. Furthermore, Apple introduced Activation Lock in iOS 7 in 2013. I doubt any statistics would show a "drop" given smartphone growth exploded over that same time period. Lastly it seems iPhone theft, today, has been regulated to more sophisticated crime rings who will go through the trouble of sending the phones to china where they can be either stripped for parts or trying to trick the original owner into unlocking the phone.
- stouset 3y ago
  Thieves steal things they can use or that they can turn around and sell. If you can’t use or sell a stolen iPhone, there’s not much of an incentive to steal it. Especially when you could have grabbed a different model that can be easily fenced to someone who will open it up and sell it for parts.
tzs 3y ago
If we are going down the organ analogy road, imagine a world in which organ transplants are easy enough that there are plenty of third parties that will perform organ transplants without limiting themselves to using organs obtained through legitimate channels. If you want to know how that could turn out badly, read Larry Niven's stories set in the first century of his "Known Space" universe [1]. In particular the stories collected in this [2], but everything in Known Space written through 1980 is great if you like hard science fiction. (I don't know about the Known Space stuff written later, because by then I was out of school and didn't have much time for fiction). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known_Space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known_Space [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatlander_(short_story_collection) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatlander_(short_story_collec...
stouset 3y ago
> In the last 10 years I never had any electronics stolen from me but almost every smartphone got broken in some way: worn out USB/lightning port, broken battery, broken screen, shattered glass, broken Face Id. You’re in luck! Apple will happily let you pay $150 for two years of AppleCare+ or $8/mo for AppleCare+ for the life of the device. You can break a screen as often as you wish and it’ll only put you out like $20 to have it repaired.

by pzo 3y ago

fragmede 3y ago

Given that human organs can currently only be created inside humans, and not mechanically in factories like iphone components can be, I'm not sure that scenario really tells us anything. I can imagine reading a dystopian scifi novel about it though. (making organs the human body can use, instead of harvesting them from a donor body is a fascinating area of research! https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/bladder-grown-from-3d-bioprinted-tissue-continues-to-function-after-14-years-139631/ https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/bladder-grown-from-3d-bi...)

pzo 3y ago
Then imagine future were we made progress and can make organs the human use in some biolab. Would you still prefer to enforce burning human body after death just to (supposed to) avoid illegal human organ trade? What if the company that create such human body organs biolab has monopoly on it, can charge anything they want and force you to use their own privately owned hospitals and their certified doctors for transplant operation? I definitely wouldn't want to live in such a world.
- itishappy 3y ago
  It's for your own good! Our manufactured organs are designed and tested to ensure consistant quality, you don't want to know what Dave's been doing to his liver these past 20 years. There's probably a point I could be trying to make, but I have yet to figure out what it is.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Trying to invoke taboos about human remains is weird. There are plenty of things that apply to cellphones that don't apply to human bodies and vice versa. It sounds like a skit out of "Who's line is it anyway". Still, cremation happens in many cultures around the world, for various reasons. Fascinatingly, in the distant past, protecting cadavers was actually a thing! They used to have to have guards, among other methods, to protect the bodies of the deceased from being used for scientific research in the 18 and 19th century.

itishappy 3y ago

Does it actually deter thieves? I can't imagine their decision making process goes much beyond "that looks expensive." Maybe I'm just not cutout to be a theif. A quick search has turned up little, but I'm curious if anybody collects statistics. It feels like it should be easy to show a drop in theft when Apple released Activation Lock, right?

nemothekid 3y ago
I think it's less you are cutout for a thief, and you just not considering thieves are real people with functioning brains. Any rational human will do some risk/reward analysis. Furthermore, Apple introduced Activation Lock in iOS 7 in 2013. I doubt any statistics would show a "drop" given smartphone growth exploded over that same time period. Lastly it seems iPhone theft, today, has been regulated to more sophisticated crime rings who will go through the trouble of sending the phones to china where they can be either stripped for parts or trying to trick the original owner into unlocking the phone.
stouset 3y ago
Thieves steal things they can use or that they can turn around and sell. If you can’t use or sell a stolen iPhone, there’s not much of an incentive to steal it. Especially when you could have grabbed a different model that can be easily fenced to someone who will open it up and sell it for parts.

tzs 3y ago

If we are going down the organ analogy road, imagine a world in which organ transplants are easy enough that there are plenty of third parties that will perform organ transplants without limiting themselves to using organs obtained through legitimate channels. If you want to know how that could turn out badly, read Larry Niven's stories set in the first century of his "Known Space" universe [1]. In particular the stories collected in this [2], but everything in Known Space written through 1980 is great if you like hard science fiction. (I don't know about the Known Space stuff written later, because by then I was out of school and didn't have much time for fiction). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known_Space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known_Space [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatlander_(short_story_collection) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatlander_(short_story_collec...

stouset 3y ago

> In the last 10 years I never had any electronics stolen from me but almost every smartphone got broken in some way: worn out USB/lightning port, broken battery, broken screen, shattered glass, broken Face Id. You’re in luck! Apple will happily let you pay $150 for two years of AppleCare+ or $8/mo for AppleCare+ for the life of the device. You can break a screen as often as you wish and it’ll only put you out like $20 to have it repaired.