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Tragic and entirely misleading. Medical devices are regulated beyond belief. You don’t want some random repair tech cobbling together pirate boxes for them. How

Tragic and entirely misleading. Medical devices are regulated beyond belief. You don’t want some random repair tech cobbling together pirate boxes for them. How would anyone know if they’re compromised?

dredmorbius 3y ago
Mark your sarcasm if that's your intent. DIY ventilators were in fact a vital lifesaving measure at the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, a little over two years ago: <https://spectrum.ieee.org/diy-ventilators-for-covid19-could-be-a-vital-stopgap https://spectrum.ieee.org/diy-ventilators-for-covid19-could-...>
- jtode 3y ago
  Why was that? Couldn't source enough. Why was that? Supply chains stretched so taut that a single disruption shut the whole world down. Why was that? Profit. Capitalism is the problem.
  - dredmorbius 3y ago
    My recollection is that there was an intentional limit on what parts were compatible with what ventilators, essentially DRM or filter tying/bundling. This denied healthcare facilities the flexibility to pair consumable components from third-party manufacturers with a specific ventilator. (I've been looking for articles to support this without joy so far, though there were numerous articles on "open source" ventilator concepts, such as this one: <https://journal.valeriansaliou.name/makair-series-the-inception-of-an-open-source-ventilator-project/ https://journal.valeriansaliou.name/makair-series-the-incept...>.) This goes above and beyond basic market function, though yes, I suppose you could say that it was rooted at some level in capitalist short-term-profit-maximising practices.
    - jtode 3y ago
      Far as I'm concerned, medical devices should be "nationalized" to the degree that all designs are 100% open from the most easily-sourceable parts available and must be 100% interoperable. DRM should be outlawed rather than enshrined.
  - wtallis 3y ago
    > Supply chains stretched so taut that a single disruption shut the whole world down. Saying "single disruption" here is almost as bad as saying the dinosaurs were wiped out by a single rock. It's not a matter of the number of underlying causes but a matter of the scale of the disruption.
  - asdefghyk 3y ago
    Changing from Capitalism, does not mean the new solution will be automatically better. could be much worse
    - jtode 3y ago
      At the moment, we are definitely changing - it will either be the introduction of socialism at a reasonable level, or completely unreasonable fascism.
MrDrMcCoy 3y ago
> You don’t want some random repair tech cobbling together pirate boxes for them. What if I actually do want that for my own self? Shouldn't that be my right to decide?
- dpkonofa 3y ago
  For yourself? Of course. For a hospital or anyone that would realistically be buying that for use? Absolutely not.

dredmorbius 3y ago

Mark your sarcasm if that's your intent. DIY ventilators were in fact a vital lifesaving measure at the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, a little over two years ago: <https://spectrum.ieee.org/diy-ventilators-for-covid19-could-be-a-vital-stopgap https://spectrum.ieee.org/diy-ventilators-for-covid19-could-...>

jtode 3y ago
Why was that? Couldn't source enough. Why was that? Supply chains stretched so taut that a single disruption shut the whole world down. Why was that? Profit. Capitalism is the problem.
- dredmorbius 3y ago
  My recollection is that there was an intentional limit on what parts were compatible with what ventilators, essentially DRM or filter tying/bundling. This denied healthcare facilities the flexibility to pair consumable components from third-party manufacturers with a specific ventilator. (I've been looking for articles to support this without joy so far, though there were numerous articles on "open source" ventilator concepts, such as this one: <https://journal.valeriansaliou.name/makair-series-the-inception-of-an-open-source-ventilator-project/ https://journal.valeriansaliou.name/makair-series-the-incept...>.) This goes above and beyond basic market function, though yes, I suppose you could say that it was rooted at some level in capitalist short-term-profit-maximising practices.
  - jtode 3y ago
    Far as I'm concerned, medical devices should be "nationalized" to the degree that all designs are 100% open from the most easily-sourceable parts available and must be 100% interoperable. DRM should be outlawed rather than enshrined.
- wtallis 3y ago
  > Supply chains stretched so taut that a single disruption shut the whole world down. Saying "single disruption" here is almost as bad as saying the dinosaurs were wiped out by a single rock. It's not a matter of the number of underlying causes but a matter of the scale of the disruption.
- asdefghyk 3y ago
  Changing from Capitalism, does not mean the new solution will be automatically better. could be much worse
  - jtode 3y ago
    At the moment, we are definitely changing - it will either be the introduction of socialism at a reasonable level, or completely unreasonable fascism.

MrDrMcCoy 3y ago

> You don’t want some random repair tech cobbling together pirate boxes for them. What if I actually do want that for my own self? Shouldn't that be my right to decide?

dpkonofa 3y ago
For yourself? Of course. For a hospital or anyone that would realistically be buying that for use? Absolutely not.