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Basho's products look great, but I hardly hear of anyone using them. Most folks in the Ruby community tend gravitate towards MySQL, MongoDB, and Postgres. Any i

Basho's products look great, but I hardly hear of anyone using them. Most folks in the Ruby community tend gravitate towards MySQL, MongoDB, and Postgres. Any insight as to why that is? Riak looks like a pretty solid database too.

myronmarston 15y ago
At SEOmoz, we use riak for our rankings collection service, which is written using sinatra and resque. We blogged about, in case you're interested: http://devblog.seomoz.org/2011/10/using-riak-for-ranking-collection/ http://devblog.seomoz.org/2011/10/using-riak-for-ranking-col... I know of a couple other ruby shops that use riak. Github uses it a bit. Spreedly uses it as well.
nl 15y ago
Riak's sweet spot is with data sizes quite a lot larger than the typical RoR app. Riak has a tunable consistency model, and there are a lot less applications that need tunable consistency compared with those that need the strengths of the SQL databases (everyone knows them, they just work) or MongoDB (designed from the ground up to be a developer friendly document database). The closest Riak competitor is probably Cassandra (in terms of technical attributes), and you don't see huge numbers of Ruby apps using Cassandra either. http://wiki.basho.com/Riak-Comparisons.html http://wiki.basho.com/Riak-Comparisons.html is worth reading.
- benmccann 15y ago
  The comparison seems pretty outdated. From the page: "Cassandra 0.6, currently in beta". The latest version of Cassandra is 1.0.8.
bonzoesc 15y ago
(Disclosure: I'm a Developer Advocate employed by Basho) Postgres is a better fit for most Ruby web applications. When you first launch your app, you'll have a tiny handful of users and won't have any problems fitting it in a free Heroku instance on the free 5MB shared Postgres, and the compromises you'd have to make with your data model to fit a database like Riak aren't going to pay off until you get enormous. Postgres and ActiveRecord get the job done quickly and without fuss, and allow you to launch quickly and see how your app is received. You can always scale later: https://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch04_Scale_Later.php https://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch04_Scale_Later.php
- MartinMond 15y ago
  RiakCS looks interesting, is it/will it be open source?
  - justinsheehy 15y ago
    RiakCS is not open source right now. Parts of it may well be open sourced over time.
- tlack 15y ago
  He is right in that you don't hear much about Riak success stories, even though from the word on the street it's a good product. Perhaps this is something you guys could focus on putting together?
  - pharkmillups 15y ago
    Absolutely. We are working on making users stories more visible.
technomancy 15y ago
From what I hear, MongoDB rescue missions actually constitute a fairly significant portion of Basho's consulting contracts.

myronmarston 15y ago

At SEOmoz, we use riak for our rankings collection service, which is written using sinatra and resque. We blogged about, in case you're interested: http://devblog.seomoz.org/2011/10/using-riak-for-ranking-collection/ http://devblog.seomoz.org/2011/10/using-riak-for-ranking-col... I know of a couple other ruby shops that use riak. Github uses it a bit. Spreedly uses it as well.

nl 15y ago

Riak's sweet spot is with data sizes quite a lot larger than the typical RoR app. Riak has a tunable consistency model, and there are a lot less applications that need tunable consistency compared with those that need the strengths of the SQL databases (everyone knows them, they just work) or MongoDB (designed from the ground up to be a developer friendly document database). The closest Riak competitor is probably Cassandra (in terms of technical attributes), and you don't see huge numbers of Ruby apps using Cassandra either. http://wiki.basho.com/Riak-Comparisons.html http://wiki.basho.com/Riak-Comparisons.html is worth reading.

benmccann 15y ago
The comparison seems pretty outdated. From the page: "Cassandra 0.6, currently in beta". The latest version of Cassandra is 1.0.8.

bonzoesc 15y ago

(Disclosure: I'm a Developer Advocate employed by Basho) Postgres is a better fit for most Ruby web applications. When you first launch your app, you'll have a tiny handful of users and won't have any problems fitting it in a free Heroku instance on the free 5MB shared Postgres, and the compromises you'd have to make with your data model to fit a database like Riak aren't going to pay off until you get enormous. Postgres and ActiveRecord get the job done quickly and without fuss, and allow you to launch quickly and see how your app is received. You can always scale later: https://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch04_Scale_Later.php https://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch04_Scale_Later.php

MartinMond 15y ago
RiakCS looks interesting, is it/will it be open source?
- justinsheehy 15y ago
  RiakCS is not open source right now. Parts of it may well be open sourced over time.
tlack 15y ago
He is right in that you don't hear much about Riak success stories, even though from the word on the street it's a good product. Perhaps this is something you guys could focus on putting together?
- pharkmillups 15y ago
  Absolutely. We are working on making users stories more visible.

technomancy 15y ago

From what I hear, MongoDB rescue missions actually constitute a fairly significant portion of Basho's consulting contracts.