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I feel like you're unfairly underplaying all the hard work and success of Wine. None of this would be possible without it. It allowed a lot of games to work on

by Sakos 3y ago

I feel like you're unfairly underplaying all the hard work and success of Wine. None of this would be possible without it. It allowed a lot of games to work on Linux that didn't have native ports. Proton and SteamOS are bridging the last mile (particularly in regards to polish and ease of use), which is important because of the Pareto principle, but I wouldn't credit Valve with everything.

sh79 3y ago
Everything builds upon Wine, but when it comes to games it alone wasn't doing so well outside older dx9 titles. It's mostly DXVK/Proton's VKD3D that actually allowed a lot of games to work on Linux with little overhead, both are funded by Valve. So I don't think calling upon Pareto principle in regards to Valve is fair either.
- Sakos 3y ago
  And yet none of it would be possible without all the emulation of all the other parts of the OS. You need more than emulating DX10/11/12 to get games to run. Valve is standing on the shoulders of giants here. The original comment didn't even mention Wine, which I think is criminally unfair. I do think Valve has made insanely valuable contributions, I just don't want anybody to forget that they're not the sole reason why any of this is possible. Wine and all its contributors deserve to be mentioned.
  - sh79 3y ago
    I don't think anybody is attributing it solely to Valve, but it's hard to deny that Valve is currently the main driving force behind gaming on Linux, hence they're getting lots of praise. The Linux gaming stack consists of quite a few open source projects however, and I don't think it's that criminal that they aren't being mentioned in a comment to an article that does mention them :)
birracerveza 3y ago
Of course Wine played a very big part here, but at this point I'd also credit all Linux contributors. As I should! Because it's a massive, MASSIVE win for open source, which wouldn't be possible if, for the past decades, people didn't relentlessly try to create a worthy free alternative to Windows, that is also capable of flawlessly running Windows software.

by Sakos 3y ago

sh79 3y ago

Everything builds upon Wine, but when it comes to games it alone wasn't doing so well outside older dx9 titles. It's mostly DXVK/Proton's VKD3D that actually allowed a lot of games to work on Linux with little overhead, both are funded by Valve. So I don't think calling upon Pareto principle in regards to Valve is fair either.

Sakos 3y ago
And yet none of it would be possible without all the emulation of all the other parts of the OS. You need more than emulating DX10/11/12 to get games to run. Valve is standing on the shoulders of giants here. The original comment didn't even mention Wine, which I think is criminally unfair. I do think Valve has made insanely valuable contributions, I just don't want anybody to forget that they're not the sole reason why any of this is possible. Wine and all its contributors deserve to be mentioned.
- sh79 3y ago
  I don't think anybody is attributing it solely to Valve, but it's hard to deny that Valve is currently the main driving force behind gaming on Linux, hence they're getting lots of praise. The Linux gaming stack consists of quite a few open source projects however, and I don't think it's that criminal that they aren't being mentioned in a comment to an article that does mention them :)

birracerveza 3y ago

Of course Wine played a very big part here, but at this point I'd also credit all Linux contributors. As I should! Because it's a massive, MASSIVE win for open source, which wouldn't be possible if, for the past decades, people didn't relentlessly try to create a worthy free alternative to Windows, that is also capable of flawlessly running Windows software.