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This is so wrong. Signal is absolutely against third-party clients. Here's a quote from Moxie himself: I understand that federation and defined protocols

by Evidlo 3y ago

This is so wrong. Signal is absolutely against third-party clients. Here's a quote from Moxie himself: I understand that federation and defined protocols that third parties can develop clients for are great and important ideas, but unfortunately they no longer have a place in the modern world. Even less of a place for an organization the size of ours. Everyone outside the FOSS community seems to know it, but it took actually building the service for me to come to the same understanding, so I don't expect you to believe me. [0] 0: https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37 https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37 I push back when anyone recommends Signal because it is fundamentally not an open network.

greyface- 3y ago
Moxie isn't CEO anymore. Has Meredith made any statements on third party clients since taking the reins?
exitheone 3y ago
This is not saying anything about being open. This is talking about federation and stable protocols. Both absolutly do hamper fast evolution of a product because they require a LOT of coordination and consensus, both of which are incredibly expensive and time consuming. With a non-federated and unstable protocol, they are free to update and deprecated whatever they like and on a fast timescale. That is impossible with a federated stable protocol. This has nothing to do with FOSS. XMPP is a good example of a protocol that got fragmented to death by many many different and incompatible extensions, ultimately making it too fragmented and too slow to adopt to new requirements.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  XMPP is fragmented yes but matrix works great. XMPP just made things too modular.
wkat4242 3y ago
Same here, and I think matrix is doing an amazing job at proving that federation is not a barrier to innovation. Third party clients really should be fully allowed too (even though they're not actually being banned so technically they're being condoned)

by Evidlo 3y ago

greyface- 3y ago

Moxie isn't CEO anymore. Has Meredith made any statements on third party clients since taking the reins?

exitheone 3y ago

This is not saying anything about being open. This is talking about federation and stable protocols. Both absolutly do hamper fast evolution of a product because they require a LOT of coordination and consensus, both of which are incredibly expensive and time consuming. With a non-federated and unstable protocol, they are free to update and deprecated whatever they like and on a fast timescale. That is impossible with a federated stable protocol. This has nothing to do with FOSS. XMPP is a good example of a protocol that got fragmented to death by many many different and incompatible extensions, ultimately making it too fragmented and too slow to adopt to new requirements.

wkat4242 3y ago
XMPP is fragmented yes but matrix works great. XMPP just made things too modular.

wkat4242 3y ago

Same here, and I think matrix is doing an amazing job at proving that federation is not a barrier to innovation. Third party clients really should be fully allowed too (even though they're not actually being banned so technically they're being condoned)