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Find me an unbranded pair of basketball shorts that will last 10 years, have consistent sizing, and cost less than $20 at an outlet and I’ll gladly buy them. I

Find me an unbranded pair of basketball shorts that will last 10 years, have consistent sizing, and cost less than $20 at an outlet and I’ll gladly buy them. I could gamble on “YAWHOHOMELIFE Men's Running Workout Shorts Training Gym Athletic Joggers Sweat Short Pants Quick Dry Breathable with Zip Pockets”, or pay like $5 more for a little white embroidered check mark and the aforementioned benefits without needing to trial a bunch of junk from companies that won’t exist in a year.

rendall 3y ago
This is a false dichotomy. Your choice is to pay extra for a logo, or pay less for equivalent quality but no logo. You choose logo. Why?
- dmd 3y ago
  Because, as he said, it's NOT necessarily equivalent quality. Yes, often it is, but also quite often it's utter crap that falls apart. For these particular type of products - and I'm not claiming this is true in all product categories! - that logo does in fact mean it is a quality, well tested product.
- trip-zip 3y ago
  Is your statement not a false dichotomy? I like 1 particular brand of backpack with a slightly prominent logo on it. I do not believe there is an equivalent quality made by a brand without the logo I buy.
- idopmstuff 3y ago
  Even if this were the case (it's not), there's still a time cost - I have to find the brand without the logo that's the same quality. I buy athletic shorts maybe once every 2-3 years almost always on Black Friday. I know Nike shorts will be high quality, and I know they'll fit. Wading through the many non-logo brands, trying them on, returning the ones that are bad, etc. might take me several hours to save tens of dollars. The point here is that you're misunderstanding why the logo matters. I don't care if there's a logo on my shorts or not - I care what the logo represents, which is a brand that consistently produces high-quality goods. I'm willing to pay more for that, especially when it saves me time shopping.
  - rendall 3y ago
    Learn to recognize quality by sight, particularly by stitching and materials, not logo. Logos are not emblematic of quality, but of good marketing (shoes aside - Nike makes good sneakers).
    - blairbeckwith 3y ago
      Do you ever buy anything online? You are taking this really self-righteous, “explain yourself” attitude while seemingly not understanding that you are the one who is odd.
    - thfuran 3y ago
      Yeah, any truly talented couturier can simply lick the monitor to get a sense of the product they're looking at.
  - rendall 3y ago
    If you take the time to understand what makes a quality shoe, it will save you time and money and embarrassment (like, you wouldn't be caught dead wearing Common Projects and would be embarrassed for someone wearing them). No need to rely on logos, which is weakly correlated to quality. Check this channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/RoseAnvil https://www.youtube.com/c/RoseAnvil
    - idopmstuff 3y ago
      > you wouldn't be caught dead wearing Common Projects and would be embarrassed for someone wearing them Y'know, you seem more focused on logos and their importance than anybody else here. I would never been embarrassed for someone wearing a certain kind of shoe. I'm not judging people based on logos, since what brand of shoe someone else is wearing has absolutely no impact on my life. For athletic shoes, I wear Mizunos. Went to a good running store once, spent an hour with the old grizzled guy there until I found a shoe I liked, and I've stuck with the brand ever since. They've got a big logo on the side, but again, I don't care about that; I care about the fact that I know the shoe will be high quality and fit well. > No need to rely on logos, which is weakly correlated to quality. No, that's a made up fact that is wrong. Brands tend to be pretty consistent in their quality over time, especially those that have been around a while. > Check this channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/RoseAnvil https://www.youtube.com/c/RoseAnvil I'm not going to check that channel because, again, the point here is that I don't want to spend a bunch of time learning about how shoes are made. I just want to buy a good quality shoe (or short, or whatever) and brand is a fine proxy for that. The amount of money I spend buying a reputable brand is well worth it given the time I save by not watching videos like whatever the one you linked is.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  You could replace the example with cars, the point is more obvious IMO. Try buying a car with no logo. You'll find one, but it probably won't be the car that you wanted the most nor the one that fitted your needs the best.
vladvasiliu 3y ago
What I've found is that "serious" equipment tends to have subdued branding, or at least has some options like that. I have a pair of basketball shorts that are still going strong after something like 12 years. They're Nike, but the logo is black on black, so barely visible if you don't look for it. Ditto for the basketball shoes. The logo is barely visible since it's the same color as the shoe. The shoes are somewhat recognizable, though, because of the air thing at the heel. Decathlon (French sports brand) also has gym shorts that are subdued. Small black logo on dark green cloth. They're also cheaper than the Nike shorts, but do seem flimsier. Their "running" t-shirts are great and have options with barely visible branding. Now, motorcycling gear is a whole different story... For some reason, it's very hard to find something that doesn't look like a freaking billboard.
- Velofellow 3y ago
  re: motorcycle gear: Rev'it has some pretty neutral branded options, but not inexpensive... I've had good luck with the quality and fit.
- nicbou 3y ago
  Cycling gear goes the opposite direction. Decathlon is great, but they have a weird fetish for a really intense shade of blue.
- 6D794163636F756 3y ago
  Similarly high end consumer brands like Gucci don't blast their labels on their high end products. The cheap stuff is cheap because you become a walking billboard. The expensive stuff is expensive because you just paid for quality. That's even within one company so your point is even more extreme across an industry.
  - malaya_zemlya 3y ago
    Dior and Louis Vuitton love putting their logos all over their products, especially accessories. I think it cheapens the brand, but i'm not their marketing person.
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tensor 3y ago
Seriously. I was trying to find socks without a logo. Just simple black ankle socks, made of mostly cotton. IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE! As you said, the only options are cheaply manufactured stuff online.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  MUJI socks are comfortable and well made. And no logo, ever.

rendall 3y ago

This is a false dichotomy. Your choice is to pay extra for a logo, or pay less for equivalent quality but no logo. You choose logo. Why?

dmd 3y ago
Because, as he said, it's NOT necessarily equivalent quality. Yes, often it is, but also quite often it's utter crap that falls apart. For these particular type of products - and I'm not claiming this is true in all product categories! - that logo does in fact mean it is a quality, well tested product.
trip-zip 3y ago
Is your statement not a false dichotomy? I like 1 particular brand of backpack with a slightly prominent logo on it. I do not believe there is an equivalent quality made by a brand without the logo I buy.
idopmstuff 3y ago
Even if this were the case (it's not), there's still a time cost - I have to find the brand without the logo that's the same quality. I buy athletic shorts maybe once every 2-3 years almost always on Black Friday. I know Nike shorts will be high quality, and I know they'll fit. Wading through the many non-logo brands, trying them on, returning the ones that are bad, etc. might take me several hours to save tens of dollars. The point here is that you're misunderstanding why the logo matters. I don't care if there's a logo on my shorts or not - I care what the logo represents, which is a brand that consistently produces high-quality goods. I'm willing to pay more for that, especially when it saves me time shopping.
- rendall 3y ago
  Learn to recognize quality by sight, particularly by stitching and materials, not logo. Logos are not emblematic of quality, but of good marketing (shoes aside - Nike makes good sneakers).
  - blairbeckwith 3y ago
    Do you ever buy anything online? You are taking this really self-righteous, “explain yourself” attitude while seemingly not understanding that you are the one who is odd.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    Yeah, any truly talented couturier can simply lick the monitor to get a sense of the product they're looking at.
- rendall 3y ago
  If you take the time to understand what makes a quality shoe, it will save you time and money and embarrassment (like, you wouldn't be caught dead wearing Common Projects and would be embarrassed for someone wearing them). No need to rely on logos, which is weakly correlated to quality. Check this channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/RoseAnvil https://www.youtube.com/c/RoseAnvil
  - idopmstuff 3y ago
    > you wouldn't be caught dead wearing Common Projects and would be embarrassed for someone wearing them Y'know, you seem more focused on logos and their importance than anybody else here. I would never been embarrassed for someone wearing a certain kind of shoe. I'm not judging people based on logos, since what brand of shoe someone else is wearing has absolutely no impact on my life. For athletic shoes, I wear Mizunos. Went to a good running store once, spent an hour with the old grizzled guy there until I found a shoe I liked, and I've stuck with the brand ever since. They've got a big logo on the side, but again, I don't care about that; I care about the fact that I know the shoe will be high quality and fit well. > No need to rely on logos, which is weakly correlated to quality. No, that's a made up fact that is wrong. Brands tend to be pretty consistent in their quality over time, especially those that have been around a while. > Check this channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/RoseAnvil https://www.youtube.com/c/RoseAnvil I'm not going to check that channel because, again, the point here is that I don't want to spend a bunch of time learning about how shoes are made. I just want to buy a good quality shoe (or short, or whatever) and brand is a fine proxy for that. The amount of money I spend buying a reputable brand is well worth it given the time I save by not watching videos like whatever the one you linked is.
makeitdouble 3y ago
You could replace the example with cars, the point is more obvious IMO. Try buying a car with no logo. You'll find one, but it probably won't be the car that you wanted the most nor the one that fitted your needs the best.

vladvasiliu 3y ago

What I've found is that "serious" equipment tends to have subdued branding, or at least has some options like that. I have a pair of basketball shorts that are still going strong after something like 12 years. They're Nike, but the logo is black on black, so barely visible if you don't look for it. Ditto for the basketball shoes. The logo is barely visible since it's the same color as the shoe. The shoes are somewhat recognizable, though, because of the air thing at the heel. Decathlon (French sports brand) also has gym shorts that are subdued. Small black logo on dark green cloth. They're also cheaper than the Nike shorts, but do seem flimsier. Their "running" t-shirts are great and have options with barely visible branding. Now, motorcycling gear is a whole different story... For some reason, it's very hard to find something that doesn't look like a freaking billboard.

Velofellow 3y ago
re: motorcycle gear: Rev'it has some pretty neutral branded options, but not inexpensive... I've had good luck with the quality and fit.
nicbou 3y ago
Cycling gear goes the opposite direction. Decathlon is great, but they have a weird fetish for a really intense shade of blue.
6D794163636F756 3y ago
Similarly high end consumer brands like Gucci don't blast their labels on their high end products. The cheap stuff is cheap because you become a walking billboard. The expensive stuff is expensive because you just paid for quality. That's even within one company so your point is even more extreme across an industry.
- malaya_zemlya 3y ago
  Dior and Louis Vuitton love putting their logos all over their products, especially accessories. I think it cheapens the brand, but i'm not their marketing person.

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tensor 3y ago

Seriously. I was trying to find socks without a logo. Just simple black ankle socks, made of mostly cotton. IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE! As you said, the only options are cheaply manufactured stuff online.

makeitdouble 3y ago
MUJI socks are comfortable and well made. And no logo, ever.