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"on-premise" - I think they actually mean on-premises. A premise and a premises are not the same thing. I see this mistake made all too often.

by branon 3y ago

placatedmayhem 3y ago
"Premises" is plural of "premise". While it is usually plural in this context, singular usage isn't wrong. Further, since the meaning is conveyed, the usage is, ahem, "perfectly cromulent".
- i_am_jl 3y ago
  "Premises" is a plural of "premise" but "premise" has nothing to do with land or buildings. "Premises" (plural of premise) and "premises" (tract of land and building(s)) are homonyms, not the same word. It's close enough that everyone knows what it means, but it's not right.
  - solardev 3y ago
    This is fascinating. It's such a common (mistaken) usage in the tech world, Dictionary says it's derived from the premise of a building deed, so it's not completely off. I wonder if there's a term, similar to "backronym", when the singular form of a word is derived from casual mutation from its plural?
    - i_am_jl 3y ago
      > Dictionary says it's derived from the premise of a building deed, so it's not completely off. Of course! The premises are "the matter previously stated" on a property deed. I did a very shallow search and nothing came up, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. >I wonder if there's a term, similar to "backronym", when the singular form of a word is derived from casual mutation from its plural? I think premises/premise(s) might be unique in English in that it's a singular noun, pluralized by adding an s, where the plural form is a homonym with another singular noun that is dissimilar in meaning to the root singular noun. Lots of words hit 2/3, but I can't think of any others that are all 3.
  - taway1237 3y ago
    Not a native English speaker here. What's a difference in technical context?
    - i_am_jl 3y ago
      If you're talking about a place, like where something is located, use 'premises'. 'On-prem' and 'Off-prem' are shorthand for "on/off the premises". If you're talking about a declarative statement used as the foundation of an argument, use "premise". Examples: "Were those databases moved to the cloud?" "No, they're still on the premises." (Premises = place) --------------------------------------- "Why did we decide to move those DBs to the cloud?" "On the premise that it's cheaper than managing the server administration ourselves." (Premise = something stated as the basis for an argument) --------------------------------------- "Can you give me a few more reasons that we moved those DBs to the cloud for the executive committee meeting?" "We made the decision on the premises that it's cheaper to run, our basement server room regularly floods, and our current server admin is a drunk." (Premises = plural of premise)

"on-premise" - I think they actually mean on-premises. A premise and a premises are not the same thing. I see this mistake made all too often.

by branon 3y ago

"on-premise" - I think they actually mean on-premises. A premise and a premises are not the same thing. I see this mistake made all too often.

placatedmayhem 3y ago

"Premises" is plural of "premise". While it is usually plural in this context, singular usage isn't wrong. Further, since the meaning is conveyed, the usage is, ahem, "perfectly cromulent".

i_am_jl 3y ago
"Premises" is a plural of "premise" but "premise" has nothing to do with land or buildings. "Premises" (plural of premise) and "premises" (tract of land and building(s)) are homonyms, not the same word. It's close enough that everyone knows what it means, but it's not right.
- solardev 3y ago
  This is fascinating. It's such a common (mistaken) usage in the tech world, Dictionary says it's derived from the premise of a building deed, so it's not completely off. I wonder if there's a term, similar to "backronym", when the singular form of a word is derived from casual mutation from its plural?
  - i_am_jl 3y ago
    > Dictionary says it's derived from the premise of a building deed, so it's not completely off. Of course! The premises are "the matter previously stated" on a property deed. I did a very shallow search and nothing came up, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. >I wonder if there's a term, similar to "backronym", when the singular form of a word is derived from casual mutation from its plural? I think premises/premise(s) might be unique in English in that it's a singular noun, pluralized by adding an s, where the plural form is a homonym with another singular noun that is dissimilar in meaning to the root singular noun. Lots of words hit 2/3, but I can't think of any others that are all 3.
- taway1237 3y ago
  Not a native English speaker here. What's a difference in technical context?
  - i_am_jl 3y ago
    If you're talking about a place, like where something is located, use 'premises'. 'On-prem' and 'Off-prem' are shorthand for "on/off the premises". If you're talking about a declarative statement used as the foundation of an argument, use "premise". Examples: "Were those databases moved to the cloud?" "No, they're still on the premises." (Premises = place) --------------------------------------- "Why did we decide to move those DBs to the cloud?" "On the premise that it's cheaper than managing the server administration ourselves." (Premise = something stated as the basis for an argument) --------------------------------------- "Can you give me a few more reasons that we moved those DBs to the cloud for the executive committee meeting?" "We made the decision on the premises that it's cheaper to run, our basement server room regularly floods, and our current server admin is a drunk." (Premises = plural of premise)