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> We are living in unprecedentedly peaceful and prosperous times, and it's only getting better day by day. There are a lot of people who are a definitely NOT m

> We are living in unprecedentedly peaceful and prosperous times, and it's only getting better day by day. There are a lot of people who are a definitely NOT more prosperous or peaceful. Democracy is decreasing world wide. Young people in the US are NOT as prosperous as their parents and grandparents were at their age. Global warming is causing serious issues which we are only beginning to address. Maybe things are getting better for you and me but that is NOT universal.

lijok 3y ago
US makes up a mere ~4% of the worlds population
- Ensorceled 3y ago
  > US makes up a mere ~4% of the worlds population So you concede all the other points? "This revision represents 11 million more people living in extreme poverty, largely driven by South Asia (5 million) and the Middle East and North Africa (4 million)." World Bank is claiming there are 11 million more people living in extreme poverty in 2023[1]. [1] https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/march-2023-global-poverty-update-world-bank-challenge-estimating-poverty-pandemic https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/march-2023-global-pover...
  - lijok 3y ago
    > So you concede all the other points? No, I simply did not consider points made from a US-centric worldview to be valid in this discussion. > World Bank is claiming there are 11 million more people living in extreme poverty in 2023[1]. Compared to when?
    - Ensorceled 3y ago
      Read. The. Article.
      - lijok 3y ago
        I did. The question is meant to get you to engage and discover the rebuttal to what you posted yourself
  - tmtvl 3y ago
    From your very own link, Figure 1 shows a very clear drop in poverty rate across the last 30 years for all regions except North Africa & the Middle East, even the global trend shows a clear decline. Quote: > It is still the case that global poverty has been falling since the 1990s, and at a slower rate since 2014 There is no distinct trend line for the U.S.A., but it seems like it is part of the "Other High Income" group, which is hovering around the 0.5% mark. Your citation: > This revision represents 11 million more people living in extreme poverty, largely driven by South Asia (5 million) and the Middle East and North Africa (4 million). Is comparing 2022/2023 data to 2019, which is clearly less than a single generation difference, let alone two. Looking at the article's cited source, <https://www.worldbank.org/en/publication/poverty-and-shared-prosperity https://www.worldbank.org/en/publication/poverty-and-shared-...>, the overview shows a massive drop from roughly 50% in 1980 to a mere 9.3% in 2020 (TBF, up from 8.4% in 2019). Yes, the pandemic did cause a rise in poverty, but the rate is projected to recover. And even despite the pandemic the poverty rate is still far below what it was 25, let alone 50 years ago. It will be worth checking the data next year to see what effect the war in the Ukraine has, but it seems very unlikely that the poverty rate will shoot up to the level it was back at the turn of the millennium.
    - Ensorceled 3y ago
      > > and it's only getting better day by day. This is the part I'm disputing. You are moving the goal posts to "generations" ... There is a fair amount of evidence that we are currently in a down swing in some key areas.
germandiago 3y ago
Clearly, too much mainstream. About democracy, true. They could also be eroding private property. Besides those two things, everything is better: trchnology, better medicine, access to good education, longer livlfe expectation... I hope you are not (I saw this a loooot) one of those people that to correct democracy things we should tell people what to do, think or say or not or what to love, hate, like, dislike or how to behave. I say this because I lived in Asia for 12 years and I see the westerner world collapsing on those premises. Greetings.

lijok 3y ago

US makes up a mere ~4% of the worlds population

Ensorceled 3y ago
> US makes up a mere ~4% of the worlds population So you concede all the other points? "This revision represents 11 million more people living in extreme poverty, largely driven by South Asia (5 million) and the Middle East and North Africa (4 million)." World Bank is claiming there are 11 million more people living in extreme poverty in 2023[1]. [1] https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/march-2023-global-poverty-update-world-bank-challenge-estimating-poverty-pandemic https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/march-2023-global-pover...
- lijok 3y ago
  > So you concede all the other points? No, I simply did not consider points made from a US-centric worldview to be valid in this discussion. > World Bank is claiming there are 11 million more people living in extreme poverty in 2023[1]. Compared to when?
  - Ensorceled 3y ago
    Read. The. Article.
    - lijok 3y ago
      I did. The question is meant to get you to engage and discover the rebuttal to what you posted yourself
- tmtvl 3y ago
  From your very own link, Figure 1 shows a very clear drop in poverty rate across the last 30 years for all regions except North Africa & the Middle East, even the global trend shows a clear decline. Quote: > It is still the case that global poverty has been falling since the 1990s, and at a slower rate since 2014 There is no distinct trend line for the U.S.A., but it seems like it is part of the "Other High Income" group, which is hovering around the 0.5% mark. Your citation: > This revision represents 11 million more people living in extreme poverty, largely driven by South Asia (5 million) and the Middle East and North Africa (4 million). Is comparing 2022/2023 data to 2019, which is clearly less than a single generation difference, let alone two. Looking at the article's cited source, <https://www.worldbank.org/en/publication/poverty-and-shared-prosperity https://www.worldbank.org/en/publication/poverty-and-shared-...>, the overview shows a massive drop from roughly 50% in 1980 to a mere 9.3% in 2020 (TBF, up from 8.4% in 2019). Yes, the pandemic did cause a rise in poverty, but the rate is projected to recover. And even despite the pandemic the poverty rate is still far below what it was 25, let alone 50 years ago. It will be worth checking the data next year to see what effect the war in the Ukraine has, but it seems very unlikely that the poverty rate will shoot up to the level it was back at the turn of the millennium.
  - Ensorceled 3y ago
    > > and it's only getting better day by day. This is the part I'm disputing. You are moving the goal posts to "generations" ... There is a fair amount of evidence that we are currently in a down swing in some key areas.

germandiago 3y ago

Clearly, too much mainstream. About democracy, true. They could also be eroding private property. Besides those two things, everything is better: trchnology, better medicine, access to good education, longer livlfe expectation... I hope you are not (I saw this a loooot) one of those people that to correct democracy things we should tell people what to do, think or say or not or what to love, hate, like, dislike or how to behave. I say this because I lived in Asia for 12 years and I see the westerner world collapsing on those premises. Greetings.