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Hi, if someone from Kagi is reading this, can we please get a lower tier than $5/month- even specially for India? We are kinda priced out when keeping the PPP

Hi, if someone from Kagi is reading this, can we please get a lower tier than $5/month- even specially for India? We are kinda priced out when keeping the PPP in mind. Say $1-$2 for 100-200 queries?

flexagoon 3y ago
They can't really do that. Their prices are based on what it costs them to use all of the required APIs (Google, Bing, etc.) If they make a cheaper plan, they will quickly lose money on it.
- __rito__ 3y ago
  That's why I proposed reduced searches per month. To put things into perspective: - YouTube premium is $1.30/month - Amazon Prime is $1.50/month ($0.75 if you are <25) - Spotify premium is $1.44/month - Netflix (1080p, no-ads, 2 devices) is $6/month $5 is decent home-cooked lunch for eight days in India. Maybe Kagi's target customer base isn't India, and that's okay. But to do business in India, a company has to do, what I call- "India pricing". Maybe there are better terms for it.
  - coconut08 3y ago
    you just listed a bunch of corporations that subsidise the lower subscription cost by monetizing people's data which kagi promises not to do. not only that you listed a bunch of billion and trillion dollar corporations that have money to burn and operate at much higher economy of scale. surely you don't expect a boutique small company of a few people to be able to match that
    - __rito__ 3y ago
      I just listed those as an end user. I am plainly talking from a consumer's perspective. Just sharing my thoughts. That's all. I didn't list boutique companies in India. Their pricing is much lower. You ignore the part about the lunch expense. The pricing is just too high. The comment is not made with an argumentative spirit. It's just that I am priced out and shared my concerns.
  - freediver 3y ago
    > But to do business in India, a company has to do, what I call- "India pricing". Perhaps the nature of the cost structure allows other services to do so, but one search costs the same whether done from a beach in Goa or in San Francisco.
    - __rito__ 3y ago
      > "That's why I proposed reduced searches per month."
freediver 3y ago
One of the reasons this is not possible are payment processing fees. Here is Stripe (used by Kagi): 2.9% + 30¢ per successful card charge + 0.5% for manually entered cards + 1.5% for international cards + 1% if currency conversion is required So if you pay $1, Kagi gets something like $0.65, meaning it just lost 35% on the payment processing fee. There is no way this can be profitable to serve the service.
- __rito__ 3y ago
  freeCodeCamp uses UPI for donations, and it is free (so far), and you can pay YouTubers through Super Thanks via UPI. Homegrown solutions like PayU and Razorpay are solid, too. I have previously donated to fCC and sent Super Thanks via UPI. It's seamless experience. Now the question is whether it will be worth it to Kagi to maintain all these- I think- yes! Once these are set-up, these are low maintenance and you don't need to babysit it. Setting these up, catching up with local tax laws sound like a big barrier, but it really isn't. I know what I am asking is a bit much. :/

Hi, if someone from Kagi is reading this, can we please get a lower tier than $5/month- even specially for India? We are kinda priced out when keeping the PPP in mind. Say $1-$2 for 100-200 queries?

flexagoon 3y ago

They can't really do that. Their prices are based on what it costs them to use all of the required APIs (Google, Bing, etc.) If they make a cheaper plan, they will quickly lose money on it.

__rito__ 3y ago
That's why I proposed reduced searches per month. To put things into perspective: - YouTube premium is $1.30/month - Amazon Prime is $1.50/month ($0.75 if you are <25) - Spotify premium is $1.44/month - Netflix (1080p, no-ads, 2 devices) is $6/month $5 is decent home-cooked lunch for eight days in India. Maybe Kagi's target customer base isn't India, and that's okay. But to do business in India, a company has to do, what I call- "India pricing". Maybe there are better terms for it.
- coconut08 3y ago
  you just listed a bunch of corporations that subsidise the lower subscription cost by monetizing people's data which kagi promises not to do. not only that you listed a bunch of billion and trillion dollar corporations that have money to burn and operate at much higher economy of scale. surely you don't expect a boutique small company of a few people to be able to match that
  - __rito__ 3y ago
    I just listed those as an end user. I am plainly talking from a consumer's perspective. Just sharing my thoughts. That's all. I didn't list boutique companies in India. Their pricing is much lower. You ignore the part about the lunch expense. The pricing is just too high. The comment is not made with an argumentative spirit. It's just that I am priced out and shared my concerns.
- freediver 3y ago
  > But to do business in India, a company has to do, what I call- "India pricing". Perhaps the nature of the cost structure allows other services to do so, but one search costs the same whether done from a beach in Goa or in San Francisco.
  - __rito__ 3y ago
    > "That's why I proposed reduced searches per month."

freediver 3y ago

One of the reasons this is not possible are payment processing fees. Here is Stripe (used by Kagi): 2.9% + 30¢ per successful card charge + 0.5% for manually entered cards + 1.5% for international cards + 1% if currency conversion is required So if you pay $1, Kagi gets something like $0.65, meaning it just lost 35% on the payment processing fee. There is no way this can be profitable to serve the service.

__rito__ 3y ago
freeCodeCamp uses UPI for donations, and it is free (so far), and you can pay YouTubers through Super Thanks via UPI. Homegrown solutions like PayU and Razorpay are solid, too. I have previously donated to fCC and sent Super Thanks via UPI. It's seamless experience. Now the question is whether it will be worth it to Kagi to maintain all these- I think- yes! Once these are set-up, these are low maintenance and you don't need to babysit it. Setting these up, catching up with local tax laws sound like a big barrier, but it really isn't. I know what I am asking is a bit much. :/