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That list mostly seems a bit odd. This Windows computer doesn't force reboots (though it does nag me), it hasn't tried to trick me to upgrade to 11, it isn't s

That list mostly seems a bit odd. This Windows computer doesn't force reboots (though it does nag me), it hasn't tried to trick me to upgrade to 11, it isn't sending telemetry to MS, it has never forced me to sign up for a non-local account. I think it does force security updates on me, which I think is clearly pro-user, though arguably not respectful. I also decided to use Edge to access my job's shitty Outlook stuff, and every ten minutes Edge tries to trick me into doing something, including but not restricted to making itself the default (you can pry my Firefox from my cold dead...). Until I decided to try Edge, it has not ever done anything to try to get me to use Edge. That said, I'm not agreeing with GP that Windows "has more respect for the user than Linux does", that just seems confused to me. But I also think that I read a lot of criticism of Windows that seems laughable.

sodality2 3y ago
> it isn't sending telemetry to MS How? Literally even LTSC builds have some amounts of telemetry. Are you running some nonstandard build of Windows?
- jholman 3y ago
  Well, maybe I'm wrong about that. It's a standard build of Home, with an hour or two invested in config maybe a decade ago when I installed it (back when it was 7, or something, before 10 existed). I spent a little time on Wireshark seeing what it was doing, but not much time, and that was a long time ago. So maybe I'm wrong. :thinking:
  - sodality2 3y ago
    Ah, yeah, that’s true, but the point is that you should be respected by default (even if they just asked yes or no). It’s on by default, turns back on almost every update, and some level is on at all times (mandatory).
Accacin 3y ago
Previously when I installed Windows, I had the option to create a local account. I had to click on a few misdirections but I was able to do it. Recently though, I had to reinstall Windows to do something, and I could not find a way to create a local account at all. AFAIK they removed the option now, or made it much harder to find.
- jholman 3y ago
  I did a Windows reinstall on a Surface in the Spring, it installed with no MS Account.

sodality2 3y ago

> it isn't sending telemetry to MS How? Literally even LTSC builds have some amounts of telemetry. Are you running some nonstandard build of Windows?

jholman 3y ago
Well, maybe I'm wrong about that. It's a standard build of Home, with an hour or two invested in config maybe a decade ago when I installed it (back when it was 7, or something, before 10 existed). I spent a little time on Wireshark seeing what it was doing, but not much time, and that was a long time ago. So maybe I'm wrong. :thinking:
- sodality2 3y ago
  Ah, yeah, that’s true, but the point is that you should be respected by default (even if they just asked yes or no). It’s on by default, turns back on almost every update, and some level is on at all times (mandatory).

Accacin 3y ago

Previously when I installed Windows, I had the option to create a local account. I had to click on a few misdirections but I was able to do it. Recently though, I had to reinstall Windows to do something, and I could not find a way to create a local account at all. AFAIK they removed the option now, or made it much harder to find.

jholman 3y ago
I did a Windows reinstall on a Surface in the Spring, it installed with no MS Account.