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> They're... It's worth mentioning that the Google you're talking about was way way different than it is today. Google Search was a startup. Google Search + Em

> They're... It's worth mentioning that the Google you're talking about was way way different than it is today. Google Search was a startup. Google Search + Email was a small company. Google Search + Email + YouTube was a midsize firm. Now they're a humungous megacorp that's slow to make necessary changes when there's a paradigm shift like LLMs.

peddling-brink 3y ago
Doesn’t seem that slow. They fired a bunch of people and are integrating LLMs all over the place. OAI had a big head start for sure.
eru 3y ago
Also keep in mind that YouTube was an acquisition.
piyushpr134 3y ago
android and chrome both are also late but they won. In Cloud also they are late but they look like to be making big progress.
- oezi 3y ago
  Android didn't win, they just prevented Apple to have a 100% monopoly on smartphones. Edit: Apple is certainly taking the lion's share of profits in the phone space. Since Google isn't investing as heavily anymore in Android, the development has slowed considerably.
  - _puk 3y ago
    Define winning - I'd take "Android maintained its position as the leading mobile operating system worldwide in the second quarter of 2023 with a market share of 70.8 percent. Android's closest rival, Apple's iOS, had a market share of 28.4 percent during the same period." [0] 0: https://www.statista.com/statistics/272698/global-market-share-held-by-mobile-operating-systems-since-2009/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272698/global-market-sha...
  - 3836293648 3y ago
    Android is like 80% of the market, Apple just has a majority in the US
d3vmax 3y ago
I agree with the point you are trying to make, but Google Search + Email was not a small company. I remember Gmail Beta, Google was already known world over and definitely not a 'small' company.
- datameta 3y ago
  A small company in terms of staff can still be internationally renown.
hansworst 3y ago
Arguably Google is the company that triggered that paradigm shift by publicly sharing (some of) their work on AI like the transformer/attention paper. So if anything they were ahead of the curve in terms of research. They're also extremely well positioned in terms of training data, infrastructure capabilities, hardware (TPUs), they had the first popular machine learning library (TensorFlow), etc. Lately you could argue they're being overtaken by their competitors, especially in terms of productization. But they still hold pretty cards IMO.

peddling-brink 3y ago

Doesn’t seem that slow. They fired a bunch of people and are integrating LLMs all over the place. OAI had a big head start for sure.

eru 3y ago

Also keep in mind that YouTube was an acquisition.

piyushpr134 3y ago

android and chrome both are also late but they won. In Cloud also they are late but they look like to be making big progress.

oezi 3y ago
Android didn't win, they just prevented Apple to have a 100% monopoly on smartphones. Edit: Apple is certainly taking the lion's share of profits in the phone space. Since Google isn't investing as heavily anymore in Android, the development has slowed considerably.
- _puk 3y ago
  Define winning - I'd take "Android maintained its position as the leading mobile operating system worldwide in the second quarter of 2023 with a market share of 70.8 percent. Android's closest rival, Apple's iOS, had a market share of 28.4 percent during the same period." [0] 0: https://www.statista.com/statistics/272698/global-market-share-held-by-mobile-operating-systems-since-2009/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272698/global-market-sha...
- 3836293648 3y ago
  Android is like 80% of the market, Apple just has a majority in the US

d3vmax 3y ago

I agree with the point you are trying to make, but Google Search + Email was not a small company. I remember Gmail Beta, Google was already known world over and definitely not a 'small' company.

datameta 3y ago
A small company in terms of staff can still be internationally renown.

hansworst 3y ago

Arguably Google is the company that triggered that paradigm shift by publicly sharing (some of) their work on AI like the transformer/attention paper. So if anything they were ahead of the curve in terms of research. They're also extremely well positioned in terms of training data, infrastructure capabilities, hardware (TPUs), they had the first popular machine learning library (TensorFlow), etc. Lately you could argue they're being overtaken by their competitors, especially in terms of productization. But they still hold pretty cards IMO.