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Yeah, exactly. I looked at Kagi last week (first time I had heard of it), when the $10/month plan was "only" 1,000 searches a month and "unlimited" was $25. Whi

by arp242 3y ago

Yeah, exactly. I looked at Kagi last week (first time I had heard of it), when the $10/month plan was "only" 1,000 searches a month and "unlimited" was $25. While I think that I'll probably stay well within 1,000 searches, I'm also not sure, and it's just not something I want to have to worry about (it's ~33/day on average and I doubt I'll ever hit it, but still...) One of the reasons I decided to skip Kagi for now.

bachmeier 3y ago
> it's ~33/day on average and I doubt I'll ever hit it That's a bit misleading. If the search engine really is that good, you should use it more, and then all of a sudden you'll hit the cap. I probably don't search that much now but that's because it's not worth the trouble.
- prepend 3y ago
  I just don’t search that much. And I don’t want to think about how much I search. Comically, the biggest problem I have with signing up since $10 isn’t that much is that I don’t want to have to log into kagi to prove my account. I search on my phone, work computers, random terminals, etc etc. Having to userid and password to all these places disrupts my current UX of 1) open browser, 2) type search (maybe go to ddg.com first). Changing to 1) open browser, 2) log into kagi, 3) search increases my time by 100x I usually use the same browser, but I use incognito or fresh browsers at least once or twice a day.
  - CalebJohn 3y ago
    They have a solution for that, a session link. They pass a token through a query parameter that validates to your account. You set that as the default search engine for each browser, no need to repeatedly sign in. https://kagi.com/search?token=<some-token> https://kagi.com/search?token=<some-token>
- Semaphor 3y ago
  > If the search engine really is that good, you should use it more, and then all of a sudden you'll hit the cap. FWIW, I searched less with Kagi, mostly because I needed fewer tries ;)
- freediver 3y ago
  > If the search engine really is that good, you should use it more In practice the opposite happens. Because Kagi is presumeably so good, people use it less, because they find stuff faster. Something that would require 2-3 searches on Google is just one search on Kagi. Anecdotal evidence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37008132 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37008132
jlund-molfese 3y ago
Wouldn't today's change make you reconsider, because you now no longer have to worry about how much you search for $10/month, it's just unlimited?
- eep_social 3y ago
  I am not the gp but yes. I had the same concern last time I evaluated Kagi and now I expect to become a paying customer this weekend when I have some time to do all my reading and reconfigure my main devices.
  - hnben 3y ago
    > I am not the gp what is GP? (sorry, I am new to hackernews and don't yet know all the acronyms)
    - comprev 3y ago
      “grand parent” - it’s a way to reference the comment as opposed to user in a thread. “OP” aka “Original Poster” is usually the first in a thread. “PSA” aka “Please See Attached” references a link or attachment to the original post, and is used in the title of the first post, i.e, please look at this webpage I’ve linked to and let’s discuss it. “TFA” aka “The Featured Article” is often used in the discussions and is the same object as the original poster referenced via PSA
    - eep_social 3y ago
      Welcome! And thanks to comprev who has laid it all out above.
- arp242 3y ago
  Yes, I'll probably check it out and at least consider paying for it, depending on how much I like it (well, once I have a job and some disposable income...) $25/month seemed too much regardless; I don't know the economics behind it but that it's now adjusted to $10/month seems I was right.
- 3y ago
carlosjobim 3y ago
Well you should worry! I've heard that when people pass their search limit, the Kagi team shows up with big pick-up trucks to their front yard and start screaming insults, waking neighbours. But seriously, I've seen this comment so many times now, that I'm curious: What is it that you worry about exactly?
- dbrueck 3y ago
  I didn't post that comment, but I'd suggest it's not necessarily a rational worry at all. It's just human nature that if you tell somebody that something can run out, then some part of their brain will worry about it running out. :)
lostlogin 3y ago
You can set notifications and hard limits. I had this reservation and 6 weeks in have gone to the $10 plan and have other family members liking not, so will likely upsize again.

by arp242 3y ago

bachmeier 3y ago

> it's ~33/day on average and I doubt I'll ever hit it That's a bit misleading. If the search engine really is that good, you should use it more, and then all of a sudden you'll hit the cap. I probably don't search that much now but that's because it's not worth the trouble.

prepend 3y ago
I just don’t search that much. And I don’t want to think about how much I search. Comically, the biggest problem I have with signing up since $10 isn’t that much is that I don’t want to have to log into kagi to prove my account. I search on my phone, work computers, random terminals, etc etc. Having to userid and password to all these places disrupts my current UX of 1) open browser, 2) type search (maybe go to ddg.com first). Changing to 1) open browser, 2) log into kagi, 3) search increases my time by 100x I usually use the same browser, but I use incognito or fresh browsers at least once or twice a day.
- CalebJohn 3y ago
  They have a solution for that, a session link. They pass a token through a query parameter that validates to your account. You set that as the default search engine for each browser, no need to repeatedly sign in. https://kagi.com/search?token=<some-token> https://kagi.com/search?token=<some-token>
Semaphor 3y ago
> If the search engine really is that good, you should use it more, and then all of a sudden you'll hit the cap. FWIW, I searched less with Kagi, mostly because I needed fewer tries ;)
freediver 3y ago
> If the search engine really is that good, you should use it more In practice the opposite happens. Because Kagi is presumeably so good, people use it less, because they find stuff faster. Something that would require 2-3 searches on Google is just one search on Kagi. Anecdotal evidence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37008132 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37008132

jlund-molfese 3y ago

Wouldn't today's change make you reconsider, because you now no longer have to worry about how much you search for $10/month, it's just unlimited?

eep_social 3y ago
I am not the gp but yes. I had the same concern last time I evaluated Kagi and now I expect to become a paying customer this weekend when I have some time to do all my reading and reconfigure my main devices.
- hnben 3y ago
  > I am not the gp what is GP? (sorry, I am new to hackernews and don't yet know all the acronyms)
  - comprev 3y ago
    “grand parent” - it’s a way to reference the comment as opposed to user in a thread. “OP” aka “Original Poster” is usually the first in a thread. “PSA” aka “Please See Attached” references a link or attachment to the original post, and is used in the title of the first post, i.e, please look at this webpage I’ve linked to and let’s discuss it. “TFA” aka “The Featured Article” is often used in the discussions and is the same object as the original poster referenced via PSA
  - eep_social 3y ago
    Welcome! And thanks to comprev who has laid it all out above.
arp242 3y ago
Yes, I'll probably check it out and at least consider paying for it, depending on how much I like it (well, once I have a job and some disposable income...) $25/month seemed too much regardless; I don't know the economics behind it but that it's now adjusted to $10/month seems I was right.
3y ago

carlosjobim 3y ago

Well you should worry! I've heard that when people pass their search limit, the Kagi team shows up with big pick-up trucks to their front yard and start screaming insults, waking neighbours. But seriously, I've seen this comment so many times now, that I'm curious: What is it that you worry about exactly?

dbrueck 3y ago
I didn't post that comment, but I'd suggest it's not necessarily a rational worry at all. It's just human nature that if you tell somebody that something can run out, then some part of their brain will worry about it running out. :)

lostlogin 3y ago

You can set notifications and hard limits. I had this reservation and 6 weeks in have gone to the $10 plan and have other family members liking not, so will likely upsize again.