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OpenAI and ChatGPT Lawsuit List

25 points by cdme 3y ago

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sillysaurusx 3y ago
Interestingly, I was served with papers by the Silverman firm. https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1704559992135717238?s=46&t=CHNZIj4cQ8XNT6qqZQipWQ https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1704559992135717238?s=4... It’s neat to be involved. Though I wonder what they could possibly want, since books3 was public. That was the whole point of making it.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  Did you torrent it? Maybe that's their beef.
  - sillysaurusx 3y ago
    Na, I’m not a party to the lawsuit. Already spoke to a lawyer about it. It’s standard to put anyone on notice who might become a witness. They’ll request whatever information they think I might have that could help their case, and might call me in for a deposition. And they’ll probably lose. It’s pretty clear that the output matters, not the input. What sucks is that we can’t open source any training data anymore. So no one can make a competitor to ChatGPT. Even eleuther was cowed into silence with legal threats. They’re trying to make a non-copyrighted version of The Pile, but it’ll be hard to amass the data quality necessary. Meanwhile private companies can just vacuum up everything.
- ronsor 3y ago
  It's interesting they want Internet history preserved... Considering that Chrome and most browsers automatically delete it after 3 months without any option to turn that off.
carbocation 3y ago
Am I reading the summary of Claim 4 accurately, that someone is suing OpenAI because a journalist copied and pasted an inaccurate statement from a chatbot into a real news article without doing fact checking?
- simonw 3y ago
  No, the journalist did do the fact checking and didn't publish the article: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755057/openai-chatgpt-false-information-defamation-lawsuit https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755057/openai-chatgpt-fa... > Riehl never published the false information generated by ChatGPT but checked the details with another party. It’s not clear from the case filings how Walters’ then found out about this misinformation. Amusingly the root cause of this was they "asked ChatGPT to summarize a real federal court case by linking to an online PDF". This is one of the most frustrating ChatGPT bugs: it can't fetch URLs (at least not the default verison) but it will happily pretend that it can. I wrote about that here: https://simonwillison.net/2023/Mar/10/chatgpt-internet-access/ https://simonwillison.net/2023/Mar/10/chatgpt-internet-acces...
  - carbocation 3y ago
    Thanks, that's a fun clarification. Also, I feel like the summaries in the OP could be improved since I tried to give it a fair reading and I got it wrong: "This alleged defamation emanates from the purported dissemination of misleading information to a member of the journalistic profession, subsequently leading to the promulgation of inaccurate and erroneous news coverage pertaining to a federal lawsuit concerned with matters of civil rights."
CamperBob2 3y ago
That's how you can identify the pioneers... they're the ones with all the arrows sticking out of their back.
nullifidian 3y ago
Would be funny to discover that libgen was the key provider of knowledge for the AI revolution. Unsung heroes so to speak.
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mistrial9 3y ago
I guess I had heard once that LeCun was some kind of dominance/submission advocate. But reading about the "Cop and the Girl from the Donut Store" soft-core sex story as original training material in Books, does take on a new level of significance now.

25 points by cdme 3y ago

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Interestingly, I was served with papers by the Silverman firm. https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1704559992135717238?s=46&t=CHNZIj4cQ8XNT6qqZQipWQ https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1704559992135717238?s=4... It’s neat to be involved. Though I wonder what they could possibly want, since books3 was public. That was the whole point of making it.

CamperBob2 3y ago
Did you torrent it? Maybe that's their beef.
- sillysaurusx 3y ago
  Na, I’m not a party to the lawsuit. Already spoke to a lawyer about it. It’s standard to put anyone on notice who might become a witness. They’ll request whatever information they think I might have that could help their case, and might call me in for a deposition. And they’ll probably lose. It’s pretty clear that the output matters, not the input. What sucks is that we can’t open source any training data anymore. So no one can make a competitor to ChatGPT. Even eleuther was cowed into silence with legal threats. They’re trying to make a non-copyrighted version of The Pile, but it’ll be hard to amass the data quality necessary. Meanwhile private companies can just vacuum up everything.
ronsor 3y ago
It's interesting they want Internet history preserved... Considering that Chrome and most browsers automatically delete it after 3 months without any option to turn that off.

carbocation 3y ago

Am I reading the summary of Claim 4 accurately, that someone is suing OpenAI because a journalist copied and pasted an inaccurate statement from a chatbot into a real news article without doing fact checking?

simonw 3y ago
No, the journalist did do the fact checking and didn't publish the article: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755057/openai-chatgpt-false-information-defamation-lawsuit https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755057/openai-chatgpt-fa... > Riehl never published the false information generated by ChatGPT but checked the details with another party. It’s not clear from the case filings how Walters’ then found out about this misinformation. Amusingly the root cause of this was they "asked ChatGPT to summarize a real federal court case by linking to an online PDF". This is one of the most frustrating ChatGPT bugs: it can't fetch URLs (at least not the default verison) but it will happily pretend that it can. I wrote about that here: https://simonwillison.net/2023/Mar/10/chatgpt-internet-access/ https://simonwillison.net/2023/Mar/10/chatgpt-internet-acces...
- carbocation 3y ago
  Thanks, that's a fun clarification. Also, I feel like the summaries in the OP could be improved since I tried to give it a fair reading and I got it wrong: "This alleged defamation emanates from the purported dissemination of misleading information to a member of the journalistic profession, subsequently leading to the promulgation of inaccurate and erroneous news coverage pertaining to a federal lawsuit concerned with matters of civil rights."

CamperBob2 3y ago

That's how you can identify the pioneers... they're the ones with all the arrows sticking out of their back.

nullifidian 3y ago

Would be funny to discover that libgen was the key provider of knowledge for the AI revolution. Unsung heroes so to speak.

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mistrial9 3y ago

I guess I had heard once that LeCun was some kind of dominance/submission advocate. But reading about the "Cop and the Girl from the Donut Store" soft-core sex story as original training material in Books, does take on a new level of significance now.