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That's already happening for Tesla 3 and Y. There are decent aftermarket batteries available, including smaller capacities for lower costs.

by _ea1k 3y ago

asdff 3y ago
I've read it can cost over 10 thousand dollars to replace a battery in a model 3. That is a total nonstarter for the used market. Plenty of Teslas will probably just end up driven until the battery is totally shot then scrapped.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  It is closer to $15k from Tesla :lol But my comment was about third party options with lower range. $6-10k depending on the range selected, IIRC. For a car with high mileage already, that'd be a good way to turn it into a commuter. In practice, I'm not seeing a significant difference between the way the 3 is being treated and the way similarly sized vehicles are treated.
  - asdff 3y ago
    You are buying the tesla for what like maybe $10k or so used lets say. Are you really going to pump $6-10k into a car that's only worth $10k? I mean people walk away from cars when they get a $2000 quote for a transmission.
    - ikt 3y ago
      Sure but EV's require significantly less maintenance than ICE vehicles, if a 10k battery gets you a car which runs like new for 10 more years (or more depending on future tech) and you like your car why wouldn't you? It's a bit like the fact that there is a ton of Iphone8's available, pop a new battery in them and you're still good to go: https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-iphone/iphone+8/k0c18597r10?categoryRedirected=true https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-iphone/iphone+8/k0c18597r10?cat...
      - asdff 3y ago
        Theres a lot more than the drivetrain that goes bad on an old car. In fact depending on the sort of car you have the drivetrain is the absolute least of your problems and might be able to go around the world 10 times.
    - vel0city 3y ago
      If the Tesla has a shot battery are you really buying it for $10k or are you probably going to pay less? If a car with a shot transmission isn't selling for $10k when it just needs $2k worth of work, why would you assume the Tesla with a shot battery would still be $10k? Do Teslas with broken batteries actually sell for $10k+? And even if it is $10k, plus another $10k for a new battery, and from at least a drive train perspective that's practically a new Tesla for $20k that'll last another 100,000+mi.
      - asdff 3y ago
        There's going to be a point where every tesla has a shot battery just like how that happens for literally all our technology with a battery in it. EV isn't any less prone to degradation than any other lithium battery, same old tech as your phone battery or power drill. At that point either you throw 10k into the car or its a 4000lb paperweight. Basically, these cars are going to be totaled and scrapped a lot sooner than traditional cars. I certainly would think twice about an old car with over 100k on the clock for $20k. There are plenty of other components besides the drivetrain that can go south on you and are expensive to fix relative to the value of the car. Some ICE cars are notorious for the drivetrain going 350k+ miles while the rest of it might rot apart. Honestly modern cars are terrible to drive when they are old. My old 20 year old honda had a leaky sunroof, leaky tail light seals, slow window motors that cut out in the cold winter, every hydraulic line corroded and leaked at one point or another sometimes multiple times, frame rust, shot rubber in the suspension components, shot brake system, rubber and plastic body trim that was just cracking and sloughing off from 20 years of UV bombardment, blown speakers, and a motorized radio antenna that never once worked. The drivetrain on the other hand was flawless being a honda, just needed an oil change with synthetic once a year ($35 or so and 15 minutes of my time mostly passive waiting for it to drain) and it was still on the original clutch. With a tesla you still have suspension components with rubber. You still have rubber gaskets and seals around windows and doors. You still have hydraulic brake lines. You still have steel components that will rust. You still have electric motors controlling things like windows (and presumably the sexy door handle release) that probably have plastic gearboxes. You aren't out of the woods, far from it.
        3y ago

That's already happening for Tesla 3 and Y. There are decent aftermarket batteries available, including smaller capacities for lower costs.

by _ea1k 3y ago

That's already happening for Tesla 3 and Y. There are decent aftermarket batteries available, including smaller capacities for lower costs.

asdff 3y ago

I've read it can cost over 10 thousand dollars to replace a battery in a model 3. That is a total nonstarter for the used market. Plenty of Teslas will probably just end up driven until the battery is totally shot then scrapped.

_ea1k 3y ago
It is closer to $15k from Tesla :lol But my comment was about third party options with lower range. $6-10k depending on the range selected, IIRC. For a car with high mileage already, that'd be a good way to turn it into a commuter. In practice, I'm not seeing a significant difference between the way the 3 is being treated and the way similarly sized vehicles are treated.
- asdff 3y ago
  You are buying the tesla for what like maybe $10k or so used lets say. Are you really going to pump $6-10k into a car that's only worth $10k? I mean people walk away from cars when they get a $2000 quote for a transmission.
  - ikt 3y ago
    Sure but EV's require significantly less maintenance than ICE vehicles, if a 10k battery gets you a car which runs like new for 10 more years (or more depending on future tech) and you like your car why wouldn't you? It's a bit like the fact that there is a ton of Iphone8's available, pop a new battery in them and you're still good to go: https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-iphone/iphone+8/k0c18597r10?categoryRedirected=true https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-iphone/iphone+8/k0c18597r10?cat...
    - asdff 3y ago
      Theres a lot more than the drivetrain that goes bad on an old car. In fact depending on the sort of car you have the drivetrain is the absolute least of your problems and might be able to go around the world 10 times.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    If the Tesla has a shot battery are you really buying it for $10k or are you probably going to pay less? If a car with a shot transmission isn't selling for $10k when it just needs $2k worth of work, why would you assume the Tesla with a shot battery would still be $10k? Do Teslas with broken batteries actually sell for $10k+? And even if it is $10k, plus another $10k for a new battery, and from at least a drive train perspective that's practically a new Tesla for $20k that'll last another 100,000+mi.
    - asdff 3y ago
      There's going to be a point where every tesla has a shot battery just like how that happens for literally all our technology with a battery in it. EV isn't any less prone to degradation than any other lithium battery, same old tech as your phone battery or power drill. At that point either you throw 10k into the car or its a 4000lb paperweight. Basically, these cars are going to be totaled and scrapped a lot sooner than traditional cars. I certainly would think twice about an old car with over 100k on the clock for $20k. There are plenty of other components besides the drivetrain that can go south on you and are expensive to fix relative to the value of the car. Some ICE cars are notorious for the drivetrain going 350k+ miles while the rest of it might rot apart. Honestly modern cars are terrible to drive when they are old. My old 20 year old honda had a leaky sunroof, leaky tail light seals, slow window motors that cut out in the cold winter, every hydraulic line corroded and leaked at one point or another sometimes multiple times, frame rust, shot rubber in the suspension components, shot brake system, rubber and plastic body trim that was just cracking and sloughing off from 20 years of UV bombardment, blown speakers, and a motorized radio antenna that never once worked. The drivetrain on the other hand was flawless being a honda, just needed an oil change with synthetic once a year ($35 or so and 15 minutes of my time mostly passive waiting for it to drain) and it was still on the original clutch. With a tesla you still have suspension components with rubber. You still have rubber gaskets and seals around windows and doors. You still have hydraulic brake lines. You still have steel components that will rust. You still have electric motors controlling things like windows (and presumably the sexy door handle release) that probably have plastic gearboxes. You aren't out of the woods, far from it.
      - 3y ago