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> Maybe they already lost the evidence because of routine deletion like it happened with the downing of Air India Flight 182 that killed 320 people and the alle

> Maybe they already lost the evidence because of routine deletion like it happened with the downing of Air India Flight 182 that killed 320 people and the alleged Canadian perpetuators were let go. The perpetrators weren't "let go"; they had a trial (the most expensive trial in Canadian history), and two of the three charged were found not guilty. Which is how things work in a liberal democracy. > The guy murdered was associated with one of the alleged perpetuators later on according to Canadian court records. Pretty sure that's not a crime in Canada. And if it is one, it doesn't meet the standard of "summary execution while sitting in ones car", which is definitely not a thing in Canada.

belltaco 3y ago
> The perpetrators weren't "let go"; they had a trial (the most expensive trial in Canadian history), and two of the three charged were found not guilty. Which is how things work in a liberal democracy. Is the destruction of critical evidence also part of a liberal democracy? Not to mention failure to prevent critical witnesses from getting killed before being able to give testimony. > June 2, 2003: > Opposition MPs call for an inquiry into accusations that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) blocked the RCMP investigation into the bombing. > According to RCMP documents, CSIS ordered the destruction of hours of wiretaps to conceal the fact that one of its agents, Surjan Singh Gill, had penetrated a circle of Sikh extremists planning the attack. He was ordered to pull out three days before Air India Flight 182 blew up. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-india-bombing-timeline-1.6520841 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-india-bo... > June 17, 2010: > Major releases his final report. Over more than 3,200 pages, he tears into the government and its "wholly deficient" agencies. He says failure to prevent the bombing was "inexcusable," the CSIS was "ineffective" and notes a "lax security culture" at airports. The RCMP "failed" to protect threatened witnesses, he adds. > Major says he cannot understand why CSIS deleted its wiretap tapes: "Inconceivable, incomprehensible, indefensible, incompetence," he writes > He also says successive governments had treated the victims' families "like adversaries, as if they had somehow brought this calamity on themselves." Politicians' failure to plug security holes was "inexcusable." > The inquiry concludes Talwinder Singh Parmar was the mastermind behind the deadly bombing. Maybe you know more than the retired Supreme Court of Canada Justice John C. Major.
- maximilianburke 3y ago
  What point are you trying to make?
  - gauku 3y ago
    I think the point they are trying to make is pretty clear - Canada, be it due to systemic incompetence or vested political interests, shares a lot of the blame.
  - belltaco 3y ago
    Your earlier comment made it sound it like it was a fair trial for the 329 victims(including 82 children) on board the Air India flight and their families. Did the presumably new information change your mind? Or do you still think it was a standard part of a liberal democracy? Here's the then Canadian PM's apology after 25 years. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/stephen-harpers-apology-to-air-india-victims-families https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/stephen-harpers-apology...
    - maximilianburke 3y ago
      It's not new information; I've lived in Vancouver my whole life, I know well the history of the Air India disaster and all the drama surrounding the investigation and the trial. Fair trials are indeed a cornerstone of liberal democracy, with fairness being an attribute given to those accused of a crime, not necessarily the unfortunate victims. The accused tends to get the benefit of the doubt because of the cost of the loss of freedoms that hinge on a guilty verdict. CSIS fucked up. The RCMP fucked up. But there is a standard to which prosecutions are held and the government didn't meet it. And none of this excuses _gunning down a person sitting in their car_ which, in case you forgot, was the original topic of this discussion. It doesn't matter who they associated with, what they were involved with, or what they did.
      - belltaco 3y ago
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raincom 3y ago
Surjan Singh Gill was a CSIS Agent, and he was one of the co-conspirators of Air India and Narita bombings. That's why Canada can hide behind 'we fucked up our investigations'. Canada, RCMP, CSIS did not not screw up the Air India bombing investigation. Instead, they covered it up by destroying evidence.

belltaco 3y ago

> The perpetrators weren't "let go"; they had a trial (the most expensive trial in Canadian history), and two of the three charged were found not guilty. Which is how things work in a liberal democracy. Is the destruction of critical evidence also part of a liberal democracy? Not to mention failure to prevent critical witnesses from getting killed before being able to give testimony. > June 2, 2003: > Opposition MPs call for an inquiry into accusations that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) blocked the RCMP investigation into the bombing. > According to RCMP documents, CSIS ordered the destruction of hours of wiretaps to conceal the fact that one of its agents, Surjan Singh Gill, had penetrated a circle of Sikh extremists planning the attack. He was ordered to pull out three days before Air India Flight 182 blew up. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-india-bombing-timeline-1.6520841 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-india-bo... > June 17, 2010: > Major releases his final report. Over more than 3,200 pages, he tears into the government and its "wholly deficient" agencies. He says failure to prevent the bombing was "inexcusable," the CSIS was "ineffective" and notes a "lax security culture" at airports. The RCMP "failed" to protect threatened witnesses, he adds. > Major says he cannot understand why CSIS deleted its wiretap tapes: "Inconceivable, incomprehensible, indefensible, incompetence," he writes > He also says successive governments had treated the victims' families "like adversaries, as if they had somehow brought this calamity on themselves." Politicians' failure to plug security holes was "inexcusable." > The inquiry concludes Talwinder Singh Parmar was the mastermind behind the deadly bombing. Maybe you know more than the retired Supreme Court of Canada Justice John C. Major.

maximilianburke 3y ago
What point are you trying to make?
- gauku 3y ago
  I think the point they are trying to make is pretty clear - Canada, be it due to systemic incompetence or vested political interests, shares a lot of the blame.
- belltaco 3y ago
  Your earlier comment made it sound it like it was a fair trial for the 329 victims(including 82 children) on board the Air India flight and their families. Did the presumably new information change your mind? Or do you still think it was a standard part of a liberal democracy? Here's the then Canadian PM's apology after 25 years. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/stephen-harpers-apology-to-air-india-victims-families https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/stephen-harpers-apology...
  - maximilianburke 3y ago
    It's not new information; I've lived in Vancouver my whole life, I know well the history of the Air India disaster and all the drama surrounding the investigation and the trial. Fair trials are indeed a cornerstone of liberal democracy, with fairness being an attribute given to those accused of a crime, not necessarily the unfortunate victims. The accused tends to get the benefit of the doubt because of the cost of the loss of freedoms that hinge on a guilty verdict. CSIS fucked up. The RCMP fucked up. But there is a standard to which prosecutions are held and the government didn't meet it. And none of this excuses _gunning down a person sitting in their car_ which, in case you forgot, was the original topic of this discussion. It doesn't matter who they associated with, what they were involved with, or what they did.
    - belltaco 3y ago
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raincom 3y ago

Surjan Singh Gill was a CSIS Agent, and he was one of the co-conspirators of Air India and Narita bombings. That's why Canada can hide behind 'we fucked up our investigations'. Canada, RCMP, CSIS did not not screw up the Air India bombing investigation. Instead, they covered it up by destroying evidence.