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> When they banned lead paint and asbestos, I don't think anyone immediately repainted their walls or replaced their asbestos drywall. It slowly phases out over

> When they banned lead paint and asbestos, I don't think anyone immediately repainted their walls or replaced their asbestos drywall. It slowly phases out over a number of decades. Kinda. Or, rich people got it replaced right away. Poor people are still living it with it today. Go test a $500k and a $100k (this is midwest price not SF price) house for Lead and Asbestos. I bet you find very different results on the average.

cj 3y ago
My grandmother's house still has asbestos in it ($400k house in New York). Short of tearing her house down and building a new one there's no way to fix that, but decades later I'm benefitting from the ban by living in an asbestos-free house built after the ban. Gotta start somewhere even if the benefit isn't felt by everyone at the same exact point in time. It would definitely benefit the rich first since they tend to be the ones building new property.
- deepsun 3y ago
  There's zero harm from asbestos as long as you don't mess with it. Your grandmother is safe. Tearing her house down, on the other hand, can actually be bad for her, if she's staying near it while they mess with her asbestos.
arcticbull 3y ago
There's not really any issue with asbestos as long as you leave it alone and don't mess with it. It doesn't need to be torn out unless you're renovating. > "THE BEST THING TO DO WITH ASBESTOS MATERIAL IN GOOD CONDITION IS TO LEAVE IT ALONE!" [1] [1] https://www.cpsc.gov/safety-education/safety-guides/home/asbestos-home https://www.cpsc.gov/safety-education/safety-guides/home/asb...
- nate_meurer 3y ago
  Kinda hard to do when your ceiling is covered in delicate popcorn asbestos that showers down on you every time it gets touched. This is very common.
  - arcticbull 3y ago
    If they're crumbling or damaged they should be abated, but if they're in good condition they don't pose a risk.
    - nate_meurer 3y ago
      There is no such thing as a popcorn ceiling that doesn't crumble every time you so much as change a lighting fixture.
XorNot 3y ago
Inequality isn't an argument against taking the necessary regulatory measures, it's an argument to work on the inequality (or subsidize the retrofits).

cj 3y ago

My grandmother's house still has asbestos in it ($400k house in New York). Short of tearing her house down and building a new one there's no way to fix that, but decades later I'm benefitting from the ban by living in an asbestos-free house built after the ban. Gotta start somewhere even if the benefit isn't felt by everyone at the same exact point in time. It would definitely benefit the rich first since they tend to be the ones building new property.

deepsun 3y ago
There's zero harm from asbestos as long as you don't mess with it. Your grandmother is safe. Tearing her house down, on the other hand, can actually be bad for her, if she's staying near it while they mess with her asbestos.

arcticbull 3y ago

There's not really any issue with asbestos as long as you leave it alone and don't mess with it. It doesn't need to be torn out unless you're renovating. > "THE BEST THING TO DO WITH ASBESTOS MATERIAL IN GOOD CONDITION IS TO LEAVE IT ALONE!" [1] [1] https://www.cpsc.gov/safety-education/safety-guides/home/asbestos-home https://www.cpsc.gov/safety-education/safety-guides/home/asb...

nate_meurer 3y ago
Kinda hard to do when your ceiling is covered in delicate popcorn asbestos that showers down on you every time it gets touched. This is very common.
- arcticbull 3y ago
  If they're crumbling or damaged they should be abated, but if they're in good condition they don't pose a risk.
  - nate_meurer 3y ago
    There is no such thing as a popcorn ceiling that doesn't crumble every time you so much as change a lighting fixture.

XorNot 3y ago

Inequality isn't an argument against taking the necessary regulatory measures, it's an argument to work on the inequality (or subsidize the retrofits).