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There are some races with average scores of 70. Can you believe it? Why of course I am talking about "white america" in 1900s [1]. [1] https://www.apa.org/mon

There are some races with average scores of 70. Can you believe it? Why of course I am talking about "white america" in 1900s [1]. [1] https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/03/smarter https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/03/smarter > Over the past 100 years, Americans' mean IQ has been on a slow but steady climb. Between 1900 and 2012, it rose nearly 30 points, which means that the average person of 2012 had a higher IQ than 95 percent of the population had in 1900.

uoaei 3y ago
Goodhart's law strikes again. As soon as IQ becomes a measurable thing, populations that measure it will act in ways that increase it. Shocking, I know.
- swayvil 3y ago
  It's interesting how closely tied "goodness" and "intelligence" are. To make a mistake is to be a bad person. To be stupid is to be bad. I can call you weak. I can even call you ugly, cowardly or a flibbertigibbet. But if I call you stupid look out! Like our whole worth as humans is summed in our ability to talk smart and solve riddles like a trained animal. Which seems pretty stupid.
  - cmrdporcupine 3y ago
    It will seem even stupider once computers can convincingly do all the "intelligent" things better than us. In fact, they can already seem smarter, even when they're not. Maybe we can move on to prioritizing humans on other criteria -- like how nice they are to each other, how good they are at making nice art, or skiing an amazing line down a mountain, etc.
  - aidenn0 3y ago
    > I can call you weak. I can even call you ugly, cowardly or a flibbertigibbet. But if I call you stupid look out! This might be a bit peculiar to the HN crowd; calling someone cowardly is fighting-words in many groups.
  - uoaei 3y ago
    I've thought about this a lot and I think there's a reasonable hypothesis in evopsych (I know, I know...): If you're making material mistakes that hurt the social group you're in, especially things that cost extra work for someone else to undo and redo correctly, then you could be identified as someone ripe for removal from the group. Ostracization means assigning taboo or outsider status to that person, either as a way to get them to shape up and earn back the trust they lost or to remove them entirely with little remorse.
- bmacho 3y ago
  Indeed, except that IQ has not became a thing to optimize for, and even if it was, there are no known ways to increase it.
  - polski-g 3y ago
    There is one way: https://gwern.net/embryo-selection https://gwern.net/embryo-selection
  - PartiallyTyped 3y ago
    Education and QoL seem to be correlated.
PartiallyTyped 3y ago
People really don’t like when they get called out for their bigotry, huh? :thinking:

uoaei 3y ago

Goodhart's law strikes again. As soon as IQ becomes a measurable thing, populations that measure it will act in ways that increase it. Shocking, I know.

swayvil 3y ago
It's interesting how closely tied "goodness" and "intelligence" are. To make a mistake is to be a bad person. To be stupid is to be bad. I can call you weak. I can even call you ugly, cowardly or a flibbertigibbet. But if I call you stupid look out! Like our whole worth as humans is summed in our ability to talk smart and solve riddles like a trained animal. Which seems pretty stupid.
- cmrdporcupine 3y ago
  It will seem even stupider once computers can convincingly do all the "intelligent" things better than us. In fact, they can already seem smarter, even when they're not. Maybe we can move on to prioritizing humans on other criteria -- like how nice they are to each other, how good they are at making nice art, or skiing an amazing line down a mountain, etc.
- aidenn0 3y ago
  > I can call you weak. I can even call you ugly, cowardly or a flibbertigibbet. But if I call you stupid look out! This might be a bit peculiar to the HN crowd; calling someone cowardly is fighting-words in many groups.
- uoaei 3y ago
  I've thought about this a lot and I think there's a reasonable hypothesis in evopsych (I know, I know...): If you're making material mistakes that hurt the social group you're in, especially things that cost extra work for someone else to undo and redo correctly, then you could be identified as someone ripe for removal from the group. Ostracization means assigning taboo or outsider status to that person, either as a way to get them to shape up and earn back the trust they lost or to remove them entirely with little remorse.
bmacho 3y ago
Indeed, except that IQ has not became a thing to optimize for, and even if it was, there are no known ways to increase it.
- polski-g 3y ago
  There is one way: https://gwern.net/embryo-selection https://gwern.net/embryo-selection
- PartiallyTyped 3y ago
  Education and QoL seem to be correlated.

PartiallyTyped 3y ago

People really don’t like when they get called out for their bigotry, huh? :thinking: