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And the winners in this are China and Russia.

jbm 3y ago
The winners of this news coming out are the victims and family members of the murder victim, as the norm until now was to hide information. As normal people, we all win when governments hold less secrets. By sharing inconvenient information, I am more likely to trust the Trudeau Government, eventhough I don't agree with them on most things anymore.
- justanotheratom 3y ago
  perhaps he can share evidence as well?
  - deleted 3y ago
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- AYBABTME 3y ago
  The impact on the immediate victim and family members pales in comparison to the large scale impact this can have by driving a wedge between nations that ought to be friendly and allied. I don't wish India and Canada (and the West) to be unfriendly for one bit, as the result of this misalignment could be a more severe return to bloody Cold War era and its related proxy wars. Many more victims will derive from democracies not being on good terms and showing a strong unity. The only winner in this spat is whoever benefits from India and the West being driven apart.
  - ekam 3y ago
    If India didn't want this wedge they shouldn't have violated Canada's sovereignty over a local plumber that liked to volunteer at his place of worship
    - tinuviel 3y ago
      The local canadian plumber who like to volunteer at his place of worship was a known indian fugitive with an interpol request for extradition. He also ran a training camp in Mission,BC to build a militant army. Canada can keep these snakes in its back yard. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/conspiracy-to-kill-hindu-priest-nia-files-chargesheet-against-four-in-mohali-special-court-409775 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/conspiracy-to-kill-...
      - spandrew 3y ago
        Sovereignty matters more. You can't just assassinate someone based on your own laws in someone else's jurisdiction. That's anarchy.
        Ekaros 3y ago
        So default state of the world?
        tinuviel 3y ago
        Are you saying India was protecting its sovereignty by eliminating threats to its sovereignty overseas?
      - ekam 3y ago
        Haven't seen any evidence for the militant training camp except for unrelated video that clearly showed a different person. Countries can put anyone on Interpol, including activists and that's a known problem https://www.voanews.com/a/as-interpol-turns-100-criticism-persists-over-abuse-of-its-red-notice-system/7105037.html https://www.voanews.com/a/as-interpol-turns-100-criticism-pe...
        tinuviel 3y ago
        Well, you can deflect what I said all you want but the fact remains that he was a terrorist with credible links to crimes in India. If a Country’s sitting prime minister and innocent citizens (mid-flight ref Kanishka bombing) are murdered by terrorists, would you find fault if that country goes to the end of the earth to eliminate them? US was one such country. Canada sent its soldiers into Afghanistan and Iraq in the past while innocent civilians were being killed in the open. If India did have a hand in Nijjar’s killing, it perhaps did it to either send a message to Khalistani’s that it’s not to be messed with. Canada is tolerant of intolerance. Again, it can keep its snakes in its backyard.
- belltaco 3y ago
  > The winners of this news coming out are the victims and family members of the murder victim I wish the 320 Air India passenger victims got the same consideration from Canada even though the Canadian citizens were likely ethnically South Asian than Canadian. The alleged perpetuators were let go due to lack of evidence two decades later. > Wiretaps by Canada’s intelligence agency had been erased before they could be used as evidence https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/canada/canada-india-sikh-killing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/canada/canada-india... > Canada's security agency destroyed wiretapping evidence on suspects in the 1985 Air India bombing as part of a "default" policy https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/erasing-wiretap-evidence-was-default-csis-policy-air-india-inquiry-told-1.631443 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/erasing-wiretap-evidence-was-...
  - AlexandrB 3y ago
    You keep bringing this up, but I don't see how it's relevant considering Hardeep Singh Nijjar was 8 years old at the time of the bombing. > Wiretaps by Canada’s intelligence agency had been erased before they could be used as evidence Is there any evidence of a coverup? The trial was ~20 years after the wiretaps were collected which leaves plenty of time for incompetence/negligence to do the job.
    - belltaco 3y ago
      > Is there any evidence of a coverup? The trial was ~20 years after the wiretaps were collected which leaves plenty of time for incompetence/negligence to do the job. From https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-india-bombing-timeline-1.6520841 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-india-bo... > June 2, 2003: > Opposition MPs call for an inquiry into accusations that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) blocked the RCMP investigation into the bombing. > According to RCMP documents, CSIS ordered the destruction of hours of wiretaps to conceal the fact that one of its agents, Surjan Singh Gill, had penetrated a circle of Sikh extremists planning the attack. He was ordered to pull out three days before Air India Flight 182 blew up. > You keep bringing this up, but I don't see how it's relevant considering Hardeep Singh Nijjar was 8 years old at the time of the bombing The NYTimes considers it relevant enough to mention it in the context https://archive.ph/9re2c https://archive.ph/9re2c The accused in the bombing was heavily associated with Nijjar later on to the point of them having a dispute and a lawsuit about a commercial printing press used for the separatist movement.

jbm 3y ago

The winners of this news coming out are the victims and family members of the murder victim, as the norm until now was to hide information. As normal people, we all win when governments hold less secrets. By sharing inconvenient information, I am more likely to trust the Trudeau Government, eventhough I don't agree with them on most things anymore.

justanotheratom 3y ago
perhaps he can share evidence as well?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
AYBABTME 3y ago
The impact on the immediate victim and family members pales in comparison to the large scale impact this can have by driving a wedge between nations that ought to be friendly and allied. I don't wish India and Canada (and the West) to be unfriendly for one bit, as the result of this misalignment could be a more severe return to bloody Cold War era and its related proxy wars. Many more victims will derive from democracies not being on good terms and showing a strong unity. The only winner in this spat is whoever benefits from India and the West being driven apart.
- ekam 3y ago
  If India didn't want this wedge they shouldn't have violated Canada's sovereignty over a local plumber that liked to volunteer at his place of worship
  - tinuviel 3y ago
    The local canadian plumber who like to volunteer at his place of worship was a known indian fugitive with an interpol request for extradition. He also ran a training camp in Mission,BC to build a militant army. Canada can keep these snakes in its back yard. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/conspiracy-to-kill-hindu-priest-nia-files-chargesheet-against-four-in-mohali-special-court-409775 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/conspiracy-to-kill-...
    - spandrew 3y ago
      Sovereignty matters more. You can't just assassinate someone based on your own laws in someone else's jurisdiction. That's anarchy.
      - Ekaros 3y ago
        So default state of the world?
      - tinuviel 3y ago
        Are you saying India was protecting its sovereignty by eliminating threats to its sovereignty overseas?
    - ekam 3y ago
      Haven't seen any evidence for the militant training camp except for unrelated video that clearly showed a different person. Countries can put anyone on Interpol, including activists and that's a known problem https://www.voanews.com/a/as-interpol-turns-100-criticism-persists-over-abuse-of-its-red-notice-system/7105037.html https://www.voanews.com/a/as-interpol-turns-100-criticism-pe...
      - tinuviel 3y ago
        Well, you can deflect what I said all you want but the fact remains that he was a terrorist with credible links to crimes in India. If a Country’s sitting prime minister and innocent citizens (mid-flight ref Kanishka bombing) are murdered by terrorists, would you find fault if that country goes to the end of the earth to eliminate them? US was one such country. Canada sent its soldiers into Afghanistan and Iraq in the past while innocent civilians were being killed in the open. If India did have a hand in Nijjar’s killing, it perhaps did it to either send a message to Khalistani’s that it’s not to be messed with. Canada is tolerant of intolerance. Again, it can keep its snakes in its backyard.
belltaco 3y ago
> The winners of this news coming out are the victims and family members of the murder victim I wish the 320 Air India passenger victims got the same consideration from Canada even though the Canadian citizens were likely ethnically South Asian than Canadian. The alleged perpetuators were let go due to lack of evidence two decades later. > Wiretaps by Canada’s intelligence agency had been erased before they could be used as evidence https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/canada/canada-india-sikh-killing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/canada/canada-india... > Canada's security agency destroyed wiretapping evidence on suspects in the 1985 Air India bombing as part of a "default" policy https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/erasing-wiretap-evidence-was-default-csis-policy-air-india-inquiry-told-1.631443 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/erasing-wiretap-evidence-was-...
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  You keep bringing this up, but I don't see how it's relevant considering Hardeep Singh Nijjar was 8 years old at the time of the bombing. > Wiretaps by Canada’s intelligence agency had been erased before they could be used as evidence Is there any evidence of a coverup? The trial was ~20 years after the wiretaps were collected which leaves plenty of time for incompetence/negligence to do the job.
  - belltaco 3y ago
    > Is there any evidence of a coverup? The trial was ~20 years after the wiretaps were collected which leaves plenty of time for incompetence/negligence to do the job. From https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-india-bombing-timeline-1.6520841 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-india-bo... > June 2, 2003: > Opposition MPs call for an inquiry into accusations that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) blocked the RCMP investigation into the bombing. > According to RCMP documents, CSIS ordered the destruction of hours of wiretaps to conceal the fact that one of its agents, Surjan Singh Gill, had penetrated a circle of Sikh extremists planning the attack. He was ordered to pull out three days before Air India Flight 182 blew up. > You keep bringing this up, but I don't see how it's relevant considering Hardeep Singh Nijjar was 8 years old at the time of the bombing The NYTimes considers it relevant enough to mention it in the context https://archive.ph/9re2c https://archive.ph/9re2c The accused in the bombing was heavily associated with Nijjar later on to the point of them having a dispute and a lawsuit about a commercial printing press used for the separatist movement.