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lol Hayao hates his son...

by zzzbra 3y ago

marricks 3y ago
I don’t think so…? From the Nikkei article: > The older Miyazaki, 82, and Suzuki, 75, have been discussing the succession process for a long time, according to the two companies. Miyazaki's son had rejected the role, saying it was difficult to operate Ghibli alone and that the company's future would be better left to others. Nippon TV, with which Ghibli had deep ties, became the natural candidate.
- Macha 3y ago
  My impression is both Miyazakis are conservative people even from the perspective of the already conservative Japanese culture of their generations. If it was known that Hayao did not want Goro to take over Ghibli, there's no way Goro would make public statements to the opposite regardless of his own opinion, even as someone in his 50s.
  - marricks 3y ago
    Perhaps, but Goro still has power and it clearly states he wanted this. If you have backstory to provide that'd help, otherwise it's just gossip. Additionally, conservative is loaded term it's not really helpful in getting across what they feel without additional description. They're possible old school conservatives but even that probably comes across wrong as how they themselves would want to be described.
    - radicaldreamer 3y ago
      I mean, based on Goro's movies, it's clear he just isn't as talented as a filmmaker as his father. Besides, Suzuki Toshio is the Tim Cook of Ghibli. I have no doubt that Goro wanted to be his father's successor (why would he have made multiple films under the Ghibli umbrella), but his father clearly recognizes that Ghibli has a potentially larger future than becoming a lesser studio under his son.
      - bradleyishungry 3y ago
        Poppy Hill is very good and comparable with Wind Rises. Just because Earthsea was bad, people view him as someone who is not up to the task. It’s for sure fair to say he’s not a good writer like his father, but he has the ability to make great films.
peoplefromibiza 3y ago
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- hotdogscout 3y ago
  >No, Japanese are just not as greedy and arrogant as westerners (especially Americans) My family is japanese and having lived in a Japan as a child I'd say Japanese culture is a lot more greedy and arrogant than western culture, look at Japan's approach to sexuality (censor it), work (kill your individuality, nepotism). I think people unfairly criticize Americans because of their visibility. Miyazaki is an old fool full of reactionary opinions much like Roald Dahl. He's not a god, he's a movie director.
  - peoplefromibiza 3y ago
    > Japan's approach to sexuality (censor it) IMO it's cover it, not really censor it. it's literally sold everywhere and published in countless magazines, I wouldn't call that "censorship". it's frankly just a style at this point and it's not different from what west does everyday with women bodies, they cover it just enough to profit from it. When Hokusai painted "the dream of the fisherman's wife" [1], in Europe we still had the Spanish inquisition that covered renaissance nude paintings and statues... In 1815 they summoned Goya for his "Naked Maja". These things always fluctuated throughout history We also know what happened to japan after the occupation by the allies Not only did Occupation censorship forbid criticism of the United States or other Allied nations, but the mention of censorship itself was forbidden. This means, as Donald Keene observes, that for some producers of texts "the Occupation censorship was even more exasperating than Japanese military censorship had been because it insisted that all traces of censorship be concealed. This meant that articles had to be rewritten in full, rather than merely submitting XXs for the offending phrases". —Dawn to the West, Donald Kleen [1] NSFW! https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Uh6ydvJFL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Uh6ydvJFL._AC_UF894,10... > kill your individuality, nepotism There's truth in there, but I also respect the way they always push themselves to improve their craftsmanship and be better than they were yesterday. Of course it's not perfect, it has dark sides and it's mostly incomprehensible to outsiders, just wanting to have a better life, without sacrificing too much. It resonates to me, it probably doesn't for most of the western culture that has become too hedonistic for my taste. But Miyazaki did not abuse of nepotist and he did not force his son to work as hard as he he did. Also, too much individualism is bad for society, USA has vastly more deaths at birth than Estonia, but at the same time they want to abolish abortion, on religious grounds, in 2023! They still swear on the bible for fuck sake, I don't think Miyazaki is the reactionary one here. > I think people unfairly criticize Americans because of their visibility. They are not more visible, they simply make themselves too visible. No Japanese ever done something like this in my Country. Because they are respectful or at least they fake it very well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/us-tourist-scooter-damage-rome-spanish-steps https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/us-tourist-sco... > Miyazaki is an old fool full of reactionary opinions much like Roald Dahl. He's not a god, he's a movie director. You said God, I said genius. Like Roald Dahl. They are geniuses, I admire their work, not their persona. BTW God is no genius, God, the god of the Jews and Christians at least, killed billions of people, he should be in jail for eternity! I would much more gladly move to Japan than to the US (where I lived) now that I am older.
ZeWaka 3y ago
Not really, he's just not nearly as skilled as a director. The best of his prior films have been collabs.
- radicaldreamer 3y ago
  Exactly, they've all been rare missteps from Ghibli (but interesting as experimental works -- particularly Earwig and the Witch).
peoplefromibiza 3y ago
please. his son is simply not good enough to replace him (them, including Takahata, actually). Let's be honest, dynasties are such an abhorrent thing that we should rejoice Studio Ghibli did not end as one.

lol Hayao hates his son...

by zzzbra 3y ago

lol Hayao hates his son...

I don’t think so…? From the Nikkei article: > The older Miyazaki, 82, and Suzuki, 75, have been discussing the succession process for a long time, according to the two companies. Miyazaki's son had rejected the role, saying it was difficult to operate Ghibli alone and that the company's future would be better left to others. Nippon TV, with which Ghibli had deep ties, became the natural candidate.

Macha 3y ago
My impression is both Miyazakis are conservative people even from the perspective of the already conservative Japanese culture of their generations. If it was known that Hayao did not want Goro to take over Ghibli, there's no way Goro would make public statements to the opposite regardless of his own opinion, even as someone in his 50s.
- marricks 3y ago
  Perhaps, but Goro still has power and it clearly states he wanted this. If you have backstory to provide that'd help, otherwise it's just gossip. Additionally, conservative is loaded term it's not really helpful in getting across what they feel without additional description. They're possible old school conservatives but even that probably comes across wrong as how they themselves would want to be described.
  - radicaldreamer 3y ago
    I mean, based on Goro's movies, it's clear he just isn't as talented as a filmmaker as his father. Besides, Suzuki Toshio is the Tim Cook of Ghibli. I have no doubt that Goro wanted to be his father's successor (why would he have made multiple films under the Ghibli umbrella), but his father clearly recognizes that Ghibli has a potentially larger future than becoming a lesser studio under his son.
    - bradleyishungry 3y ago
      Poppy Hill is very good and comparable with Wind Rises. Just because Earthsea was bad, people view him as someone who is not up to the task. It’s for sure fair to say he’s not a good writer like his father, but he has the ability to make great films.

peoplefromibiza 3y ago

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hotdogscout 3y ago
>No, Japanese are just not as greedy and arrogant as westerners (especially Americans) My family is japanese and having lived in a Japan as a child I'd say Japanese culture is a lot more greedy and arrogant than western culture, look at Japan's approach to sexuality (censor it), work (kill your individuality, nepotism). I think people unfairly criticize Americans because of their visibility. Miyazaki is an old fool full of reactionary opinions much like Roald Dahl. He's not a god, he's a movie director.
- peoplefromibiza 3y ago
  > Japan's approach to sexuality (censor it) IMO it's cover it, not really censor it. it's literally sold everywhere and published in countless magazines, I wouldn't call that "censorship". it's frankly just a style at this point and it's not different from what west does everyday with women bodies, they cover it just enough to profit from it. When Hokusai painted "the dream of the fisherman's wife" [1], in Europe we still had the Spanish inquisition that covered renaissance nude paintings and statues... In 1815 they summoned Goya for his "Naked Maja". These things always fluctuated throughout history We also know what happened to japan after the occupation by the allies Not only did Occupation censorship forbid criticism of the United States or other Allied nations, but the mention of censorship itself was forbidden. This means, as Donald Keene observes, that for some producers of texts "the Occupation censorship was even more exasperating than Japanese military censorship had been because it insisted that all traces of censorship be concealed. This meant that articles had to be rewritten in full, rather than merely submitting XXs for the offending phrases". —Dawn to the West, Donald Kleen [1] NSFW! https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Uh6ydvJFL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Uh6ydvJFL._AC_UF894,10... > kill your individuality, nepotism There's truth in there, but I also respect the way they always push themselves to improve their craftsmanship and be better than they were yesterday. Of course it's not perfect, it has dark sides and it's mostly incomprehensible to outsiders, just wanting to have a better life, without sacrificing too much. It resonates to me, it probably doesn't for most of the western culture that has become too hedonistic for my taste. But Miyazaki did not abuse of nepotist and he did not force his son to work as hard as he he did. Also, too much individualism is bad for society, USA has vastly more deaths at birth than Estonia, but at the same time they want to abolish abortion, on religious grounds, in 2023! They still swear on the bible for fuck sake, I don't think Miyazaki is the reactionary one here. > I think people unfairly criticize Americans because of their visibility. They are not more visible, they simply make themselves too visible. No Japanese ever done something like this in my Country. Because they are respectful or at least they fake it very well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/us-tourist-scooter-damage-rome-spanish-steps https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/us-tourist-sco... > Miyazaki is an old fool full of reactionary opinions much like Roald Dahl. He's not a god, he's a movie director. You said God, I said genius. Like Roald Dahl. They are geniuses, I admire their work, not their persona. BTW God is no genius, God, the god of the Jews and Christians at least, killed billions of people, he should be in jail for eternity! I would much more gladly move to Japan than to the US (where I lived) now that I am older.

ZeWaka 3y ago

Not really, he's just not nearly as skilled as a director. The best of his prior films have been collabs.

radicaldreamer 3y ago
Exactly, they've all been rare missteps from Ghibli (but interesting as experimental works -- particularly Earwig and the Witch).

peoplefromibiza 3y ago

please. his son is simply not good enough to replace him (them, including Takahata, actually). Let's be honest, dynasties are such an abhorrent thing that we should rejoice Studio Ghibli did not end as one.