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Maybe the real problem is that there exists a system design to allow querying a person's family connections to police interactions. This isn't even just convict

Maybe the real problem is that there exists a system design to allow querying a person's family connections to police interactions. This isn't even just convictions, but basically any accusations or investigations. The wording is kind of vague, but I think this framing is supported by the article. The existence of such a system just seems dystopian. Seems entirely reasonable that issues of domestic violence should be known to schools, but this goes way beyond that. It's only a matter of time before more public institutions manufacture reasons to use the same system. Surely the NIH should know about your police interactions before treating you.

pera 3y ago
The council provides a data flow diagram showing the source of the data: https://www.bristol.gov.uk/files/documents/5972-insight-bristol-data-flow-indicator-list-and-legal-gateways/file https://www.bristol.gov.uk/files/documents/5972-insight-bris...
- deleted 3y ago
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- msla 3y ago
  Health data, including mental health data, is fed into the system.
- robaato 3y ago
  Scary. Just having an EHCP (Educational Health Care Plan) is an indicator...
- bmsleight_ 3y ago
  Bloody hell - until I looked at the digram, I did no realise - this is pure profiling. What has benefit data got to do with a child at risk. As per Housing - this is profile of people because they live on the 'wrong' estate. "Accessing Out of Work benefits" is saying the child may be at risk. "Teenage Parent" is used as an indicator.
  - lupire 3y ago
    Yeah, that's the point. It's identifying people who need help.
candiodari 3y ago
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didntcheck 3y ago
Yep. The fact that you can effectively be smeared by a state-managed record with often no right of appeal is disturbing. And this isn't the only scenario. Look up "non-crime hate incidents", which depend largely on a victim's claim that the event took place and that they believe it was "hateful", and I believe can show up on some DBS background checks. Why are the police disclosing these events that are by definition non-crimes? > For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone [1] David Cameron was rightly criticized for those comments in 2015. Unfortunately there's been a bit of a culture shift since then, and it's now often those same critics supporting similar measures and implying that you must have something to hide if you fear them [1] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/counter-terrorism-bill-extremism-disruption-orders-david-cameron https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/counter-terr...

pera 3y ago

The council provides a data flow diagram showing the source of the data: https://www.bristol.gov.uk/files/documents/5972-insight-bristol-data-flow-indicator-list-and-legal-gateways/file https://www.bristol.gov.uk/files/documents/5972-insight-bris...

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msla 3y ago
Health data, including mental health data, is fed into the system.
robaato 3y ago
Scary. Just having an EHCP (Educational Health Care Plan) is an indicator...
bmsleight_ 3y ago
Bloody hell - until I looked at the digram, I did no realise - this is pure profiling. What has benefit data got to do with a child at risk. As per Housing - this is profile of people because they live on the 'wrong' estate. "Accessing Out of Work benefits" is saying the child may be at risk. "Teenage Parent" is used as an indicator.
- lupire 3y ago
  Yeah, that's the point. It's identifying people who need help.

candiodari 3y ago

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didntcheck 3y ago

Yep. The fact that you can effectively be smeared by a state-managed record with often no right of appeal is disturbing. And this isn't the only scenario. Look up "non-crime hate incidents", which depend largely on a victim's claim that the event took place and that they believe it was "hateful", and I believe can show up on some DBS background checks. Why are the police disclosing these events that are by definition non-crimes? > For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone [1] David Cameron was rightly criticized for those comments in 2015. Unfortunately there's been a bit of a culture shift since then, and it's now often those same critics supporting similar measures and implying that you must have something to hide if you fear them [1] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/counter-terrorism-bill-extremism-disruption-orders-david-cameron https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/counter-terr...