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https://youtu.be/7EvnKYOuvWo?si=KjIPP5LtZvab_Ls5 https://youtu.be/7EvnKYOuvWo?si=KjIPP5LtZvab_Ls5 Well he didn't seem very fond of it even before it was create

by lairv 3y ago

https://youtu.be/7EvnKYOuvWo?si=KjIPP5LtZvab_Ls5 https://youtu.be/7EvnKYOuvWo?si=KjIPP5LtZvab_Ls5 Well he didn't seem very fond of it even before it was created

caust1c 3y ago
Wow, thanks for sharing. Last line of that clip hits hard :(
frozenlettuce 3y ago
I find it amusing given that in Princess Mononoke one of the villians loses an arm - does he sees that a punishment? Does he think that a bad person deserves that? Wasn't it also "disrescpectful" to his disabled friend? IMO that is just people making-up emotional arguments to trash the younger generation to keep them in control.
- morelisp 3y ago
  What a profound misreading of both his comments on the animation and Princess Mononoke.
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- peoplefromibiza 3y ago
  > does he sees that a punishment? No, that's what happens in nature when two different worlds collide. And you accept it, like Lady Eboshi does.
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  >that is just people making-up emotional arguments to trash the younger generation to keep them in control. I think Miyazaki's just an old conservative emotional man. He probably doesn't think very hard or rationally about his taste.
- kbelder 3y ago
  Villain? Watch it again.
im3w1l 3y ago
His comments seem to be more about the subject matter than the technique they used.
- lairv 3y ago
  The "insult to life itself" indeed refers to the particular demo that they showed this day, but they also mention multiple times they want to make "computers that paint like humans" and HM doesn't show much more enthusiasm
- morelisp 3y ago
  Except it's also telling that this is the subject matter they thought worth relating to him. "Look, isn't it amazing what we made the computer do?" To which Miyazaki's reply is to (correctly) probe the content for meaning, not materiality. He's not objecting to horror or disgusting things per se, but pointing out there's no point without the humanist part as well. Their project is ultimately artless, regardless of topic, and they pick this to show him because they're too dumb to see that in the first place. It's a blatant transposition of solutionism into the realm of aesthetics - they are enamored with their magic box but have nothing to actually say.
- barrysteve 3y ago
  He appears to take on face-value the idea that computers can AND will do, every technique he does on paper. Software, in fact, does not. I wonder his response if he knew it.
bowsamic 3y ago
They cut out the more brutal parts of his response
dylan604 3y ago
I loved this clip when I first saw it, and it's even more pertinent now to me, as it reinforces my own sentiments to what I'm seeing with AI generative imagery. Those guys at the end that are the ones clearly involved in making whatever that was, and are now just like WTF do we say now? You could just see them trying to pivot right then and there after that feedback. "It's something we'd never show in public" Then why are you showing it in this presentation? "what is your end goal" "We'd like a machine to paint like a human" And that animation was an example of that goal?
perihelions 3y ago
That's disturbingly brutal for a professional interaction. I wouldn't want to work in an office where that's a thing that happens–whether it happens to me or watching it happen to someone else. ("Then you would never get to work for a genius like the great Miyazaki, haha!" Sure, I understand that. That isn't a novel observation: he's far from the only celebrity genius in the world who gets away with abusing their underlings, who's so great and amazing that people are willing to turn a blind eye to their personality issues. They say "never meet your heroes").
- debacle 3y ago
  Respectfully, I've sat in meetings with 100s of VCs and most of them were far more "disturbingly brutal" than this. There are serious people and unserious people.
- class4behavior 3y ago
  You need first to understand a perspective before you judge it. That's what cultural difference is and a lot of it is at play here. Good or bad, this is a different style of life. Not to mention that it is not unusual for executives or board members to have their personal priorities, especially in the art industry. But, even in that context, they did a horrible presentation. At least from this clip they appear like full-blown nerds with low EQ who didn't consider what kind of person their senior they will present this to is like. Any fan could have told them HM wouldn't like the animation and it would not reveal what DL can do.
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- michaelt 3y ago
  They show him a 3D rendered animation of a deformed humanoid struggling to move on the floor. Looks like something out of a zombie horror PC game. They say it has no sense of pain, and that it's a horror beyond human imagination. Miyazaki says whoever made it gives no thought to pain, and it's very unpleasant. That just seems like he was repeating back pretty much what they said to him? Also, I'm not familiar with Miyazaki's entire oeuvre, but he doesn't seem to be into zombie horror, or 3D? So kinda understandable that he wouldn't be interested in adopting a product where their number 1 demo was zombie horror.
numpad0 3y ago
I just realized that very few at global context had gone through the "insult to life" and crying Kawango meme moment before GenAI came out. That was a giant spoiler in hindsight, and tells how long forward Miyazaki just is in animation(and how horrible he is as an individual)

by lairv 3y ago

https://youtu.be/7EvnKYOuvWo?si=KjIPP5LtZvab_Ls5 https://youtu.be/7EvnKYOuvWo?si=KjIPP5LtZvab_Ls5 Well he didn't seem very fond of it even before it was created

caust1c 3y ago

Wow, thanks for sharing. Last line of that clip hits hard :(

frozenlettuce 3y ago

I find it amusing given that in Princess Mononoke one of the villians loses an arm - does he sees that a punishment? Does he think that a bad person deserves that? Wasn't it also "disrescpectful" to his disabled friend? IMO that is just people making-up emotional arguments to trash the younger generation to keep them in control.

morelisp 3y ago
What a profound misreading of both his comments on the animation and Princess Mononoke.
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peoplefromibiza 3y ago
> does he sees that a punishment? No, that's what happens in nature when two different worlds collide. And you accept it, like Lady Eboshi does.
hotdogscout 3y ago
>that is just people making-up emotional arguments to trash the younger generation to keep them in control. I think Miyazaki's just an old conservative emotional man. He probably doesn't think very hard or rationally about his taste.
kbelder 3y ago
Villain? Watch it again.

im3w1l 3y ago

His comments seem to be more about the subject matter than the technique they used.

lairv 3y ago
The "insult to life itself" indeed refers to the particular demo that they showed this day, but they also mention multiple times they want to make "computers that paint like humans" and HM doesn't show much more enthusiasm
morelisp 3y ago
Except it's also telling that this is the subject matter they thought worth relating to him. "Look, isn't it amazing what we made the computer do?" To which Miyazaki's reply is to (correctly) probe the content for meaning, not materiality. He's not objecting to horror or disgusting things per se, but pointing out there's no point without the humanist part as well. Their project is ultimately artless, regardless of topic, and they pick this to show him because they're too dumb to see that in the first place. It's a blatant transposition of solutionism into the realm of aesthetics - they are enamored with their magic box but have nothing to actually say.
barrysteve 3y ago
He appears to take on face-value the idea that computers can AND will do, every technique he does on paper. Software, in fact, does not. I wonder his response if he knew it.

bowsamic 3y ago

They cut out the more brutal parts of his response

dylan604 3y ago

I loved this clip when I first saw it, and it's even more pertinent now to me, as it reinforces my own sentiments to what I'm seeing with AI generative imagery. Those guys at the end that are the ones clearly involved in making whatever that was, and are now just like WTF do we say now? You could just see them trying to pivot right then and there after that feedback. "It's something we'd never show in public" Then why are you showing it in this presentation? "what is your end goal" "We'd like a machine to paint like a human" And that animation was an example of that goal?

perihelions 3y ago

That's disturbingly brutal for a professional interaction. I wouldn't want to work in an office where that's a thing that happens–whether it happens to me or watching it happen to someone else. ("Then you would never get to work for a genius like the great Miyazaki, haha!" Sure, I understand that. That isn't a novel observation: he's far from the only celebrity genius in the world who gets away with abusing their underlings, who's so great and amazing that people are willing to turn a blind eye to their personality issues. They say "never meet your heroes").

debacle 3y ago
Respectfully, I've sat in meetings with 100s of VCs and most of them were far more "disturbingly brutal" than this. There are serious people and unserious people.
class4behavior 3y ago
You need first to understand a perspective before you judge it. That's what cultural difference is and a lot of it is at play here. Good or bad, this is a different style of life. Not to mention that it is not unusual for executives or board members to have their personal priorities, especially in the art industry. But, even in that context, they did a horrible presentation. At least from this clip they appear like full-blown nerds with low EQ who didn't consider what kind of person their senior they will present this to is like. Any fan could have told them HM wouldn't like the animation and it would not reveal what DL can do.
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michaelt 3y ago
They show him a 3D rendered animation of a deformed humanoid struggling to move on the floor. Looks like something out of a zombie horror PC game. They say it has no sense of pain, and that it's a horror beyond human imagination. Miyazaki says whoever made it gives no thought to pain, and it's very unpleasant. That just seems like he was repeating back pretty much what they said to him? Also, I'm not familiar with Miyazaki's entire oeuvre, but he doesn't seem to be into zombie horror, or 3D? So kinda understandable that he wouldn't be interested in adopting a product where their number 1 demo was zombie horror.

numpad0 3y ago

I just realized that very few at global context had gone through the "insult to life" and crying Kawango meme moment before GenAI came out. That was a giant spoiler in hindsight, and tells how long forward Miyazaki just is in animation(and how horrible he is as an individual)