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There are not many people who have done worse things for this world than Rupert Murdoch. I cannot wish him anything but the karmic retribution for all the hate

There are not many people who have done worse things for this world than Rupert Murdoch. I cannot wish him anything but the karmic retribution for all the hate and suffering he's caused over the years. The hilarious final paragraph where a billionaire is criticising the "elites" is just the icing on the cake: > He also criticised other media outlets as being "in cahoots" with a "rarefied class" of elites who he accused of "peddling political narratives rather than pursuing the truth".

seydor 3y ago
I dont think 'wishing karmic retribution' is doing anything. We have been stuck in a world created in the 60s which is not changing because too old people have too much power and wealth. It wasn't alwasy like that and the current situation is a problem for a number of generations now. Age-based inequality needs to be seen as a societal problem.
- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  I don't think age-based inequality makes the sense you think it does. Only a minority of older people are wealthy, imo, and mostly out of a function of the fact earning power accrues over time. But plenty of elderly people are actually homeless or forced to go back to working at Dollar General and Walmart. It would be more accurate to target wealth inequality, which will disproportionately target the old wealthy people by nature (and also younger people who are wealthy through wealthy prior generation).
  - seydor 3y ago
    > Only a minority of older people are wealthy Some decades are more lucky than others when it comes to the generation of wealth. That is an inequality in itself and it affects everyone not just the top
    - EatingWithForks 3y ago
      I'm arguing that it may not actually affect everyone. In america, the biggest wealth-building tools from the federal government were barred to black people in the previous generation. Banks are still getting hit with racial discrimination in mortgage lending in current year. I don't think we should address inequality by generation if only a minority of that generation got to reap the rewards. It's not like a Latina grandma alive before women were allowed to open bank accounts had a ton of options to her.
      - seydor 3y ago
        the wealth at the top is a side-effect of chronic unfair advantage. Even if that is somehow targetted, the unfair advantages like e.g. the extreme way in which housing markets in free economies evolved won't change. And we know that wealth tax does not work because of the structure of the world financial system. We can't pretend that if we try again and again it will work. The inequality of housing in particular is a result of generational demographic factors which led to political choices (low inflation mandate - high interest rates are being imposed on new generations to pay for housing obtained with record low interest rates). These are cases where democracy fails and cannot guarantee the fundamental right to housing (in fact it actively fights it). Bandaids cannot solve this
        EatingWithForks 3y ago
        I agree bandaids cannot solve this. I just disagree we should be targeting a generation and not just targeting all wealthy people, because the generational opportunities you're describing were closed to subsets of people. Like I said, it's not like a Latina grandmother who wasn't allowed to open a bank is the source of the generational global wealth problem-- it's the white managerial class who got preferential federal mortgage loans.
  - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
    The entirety of the baby boomer voting bloc is centered around the idea that we must do whatever is best for the wealthy, because we've thrown all of our retirement money into their stocks because of the shift from pensions to 401Ks. So it doesn't really matter how rich an individual is, you already know how they're going to react because their future livelihood depends on it. Even my dad, who has both a 401K and a pension and Social Security and draws $70K yearly from them even though his living expenses are around $20K... he is hardcore into the idea of doing whatever makes the Dow go up, because that to him is the greatest good.
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rsynnott 3y ago
> a "rarefied class" of elites who he accused of "peddling political narratives rather than pursuing the truth". Is that so, Rupert? A bit like this, perhaps? https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupert-murdoch-2020-election-fraud https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-... https://gizmodo.com/fox-news-edits-trump-out-of-photo-with-jeffrey-epstein-1844276574 https://gizmodo.com/fox-news-edits-trump-out-of-photo-with-j... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coverage_of_the_Hillsborough_disaster_by_The_Sun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coverage_of_the_Hillsborough_d... I mean, it sounds very much like he's describing _his own_ media outlets. (I think any media company should be very cautious of making claims like this, but it's particularly absurd coming from _bloody News Corp_).
- lazide 3y ago
  Projection isn’t just for movie theatres.
rcarr 3y ago
I think he has caused more damage across the Anglosphere than any outside enemy could ever wish for.
user3939382 3y ago
The entire corporate media is exactly as corrupt as this guy is.
- drcongo 3y ago
  Before your comment gets downvoted to where it belongs, this is so spectacularly wrongheaded that maybe you should explain it.
  - user3939382 3y ago
    Yeah sure. All these corporate news networks do is propagandize the public with State Dept. talking points all day. That's why we've been in endless wars for the last 20 years in case you missed it. Where this comment belongs is top of mind for the entire country which is being bamboolzed by these networks.
    - drcongo 3y ago
      You obviously missed that there's more than one country in the world. Colour me surprised.
    - hackyhacky 3y ago
      As I recall, Murdoch-owned media was very much pro-war in the early 2000s, and dared to call anyone who opposed the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan un-patriotic and pro-terrorist.
- hackyhacky 3y ago
  Do you consider Fox News to be something other than "corporate media?" Is News Corp. not a corporation? Are they motivated by something other than profit? Please let us know.
ericmcer 3y ago
Its true that other media outlets are doing it as well. Maybe each one believes they are manipulating and exploiting their audience in the "right" way? I wish we could get more Cronkite style anchors, who prided themselves on delivering information to the public in an unemotional and straightforward manner. Instead we get emotionally charged news anchors who are trying to incite the strongest reactions they can get. I always loved the video of Cronkite delivering the news of Kennedy's assassination. https://youtu.be/6PXORQE5-CY?si=papzPPt00V8GC6Hp&t=64 https://youtu.be/6PXORQE5-CY?si=papzPPt00V8GC6Hp&t=64
- nurbl 3y ago
  I think that is true, but somehow a "race to the bottom" has been going on and some are more guilty than others of setting it in motion. It can be quite hard not to get drawn into such a situation as a for-profit organisation, the perception is go along or die. But it's a choice, if nobody plays along there is no race.
- minusf 3y ago
  none of the news anchors should get the kind of dramatic powers they acquired over time. obligatory reference to Network (1976) here is a fantastic analysis of Network and rise of the news anchors in the framing of Network: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlCLZIn38ao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlCLZIn38ao
- the_snooze 3y ago
  >I wish we could get more Cronkite style anchors, who prided themselves on delivering information to the public in an unemotional and straightforward manner. Instead we get emotionally charged news anchors who are trying to incite the strongest reactions they can get. A level-headed Cronkite-like figure would work well in an environment where "the media" knows to get out of the way when there isn't any urgent news to report (e.g., a 9/11-style emergency). But that doesn't make advertisers or shareholders happy, so we're stuck in a ratchet-up environment where EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT ALL THE TIME SO KEEP WATCHING KEEP WATCHING KEEP WATCHING!!!
  - 3y ago
hackyhacky 3y ago
"Elites" is widely recognized to be a coded term for deniably referring to the Jews.
- toomim 3y ago
  Please don't incite racism.
  - hackyhacky 3y ago
    I'm not inciting it: I'm pointing it out.
    - toomim 3y ago
      Let's make clear what you did. You told us to conflate the concepts of "elites" with "jews" — converting a discussion about class into one about race. That's what a racist does. A racist sees everything in terms of race. You are seeing everything in terms of race, and telling other people to see things in terms of race. Please do not inject racism into things that don't have anything to do with race. You probably think that it wasn't you who started this racist fire — that you're just pointing out something Rupert Murdoch secretly believes, but (a) you aren't a mind reader — you are just assuming his thoughts based on your opinion, and (b) you are still adding fuel to the fire of racism.
david38 3y ago
You might want to read a little more history

seydor 3y ago

I dont think 'wishing karmic retribution' is doing anything. We have been stuck in a world created in the 60s which is not changing because too old people have too much power and wealth. It wasn't alwasy like that and the current situation is a problem for a number of generations now. Age-based inequality needs to be seen as a societal problem.

EatingWithForks 3y ago
I don't think age-based inequality makes the sense you think it does. Only a minority of older people are wealthy, imo, and mostly out of a function of the fact earning power accrues over time. But plenty of elderly people are actually homeless or forced to go back to working at Dollar General and Walmart. It would be more accurate to target wealth inequality, which will disproportionately target the old wealthy people by nature (and also younger people who are wealthy through wealthy prior generation).
- seydor 3y ago
  > Only a minority of older people are wealthy Some decades are more lucky than others when it comes to the generation of wealth. That is an inequality in itself and it affects everyone not just the top
  - EatingWithForks 3y ago
    I'm arguing that it may not actually affect everyone. In america, the biggest wealth-building tools from the federal government were barred to black people in the previous generation. Banks are still getting hit with racial discrimination in mortgage lending in current year. I don't think we should address inequality by generation if only a minority of that generation got to reap the rewards. It's not like a Latina grandma alive before women were allowed to open bank accounts had a ton of options to her.
    - seydor 3y ago
      the wealth at the top is a side-effect of chronic unfair advantage. Even if that is somehow targetted, the unfair advantages like e.g. the extreme way in which housing markets in free economies evolved won't change. And we know that wealth tax does not work because of the structure of the world financial system. We can't pretend that if we try again and again it will work. The inequality of housing in particular is a result of generational demographic factors which led to political choices (low inflation mandate - high interest rates are being imposed on new generations to pay for housing obtained with record low interest rates). These are cases where democracy fails and cannot guarantee the fundamental right to housing (in fact it actively fights it). Bandaids cannot solve this
      - EatingWithForks 3y ago
        I agree bandaids cannot solve this. I just disagree we should be targeting a generation and not just targeting all wealthy people, because the generational opportunities you're describing were closed to subsets of people. Like I said, it's not like a Latina grandmother who wasn't allowed to open a bank is the source of the generational global wealth problem-- it's the white managerial class who got preferential federal mortgage loans.
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  The entirety of the baby boomer voting bloc is centered around the idea that we must do whatever is best for the wealthy, because we've thrown all of our retirement money into their stocks because of the shift from pensions to 401Ks. So it doesn't really matter how rich an individual is, you already know how they're going to react because their future livelihood depends on it. Even my dad, who has both a 401K and a pension and Social Security and draws $70K yearly from them even though his living expenses are around $20K... he is hardcore into the idea of doing whatever makes the Dow go up, because that to him is the greatest good.
- deleted 3y ago
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rsynnott 3y ago

> a "rarefied class" of elites who he accused of "peddling political narratives rather than pursuing the truth". Is that so, Rupert? A bit like this, perhaps? https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupert-murdoch-2020-election-fraud https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-... https://gizmodo.com/fox-news-edits-trump-out-of-photo-with-jeffrey-epstein-1844276574 https://gizmodo.com/fox-news-edits-trump-out-of-photo-with-j... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coverage_of_the_Hillsborough_disaster_by_The_Sun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coverage_of_the_Hillsborough_d... I mean, it sounds very much like he's describing _his own_ media outlets. (I think any media company should be very cautious of making claims like this, but it's particularly absurd coming from _bloody News Corp_).

lazide 3y ago
Projection isn’t just for movie theatres.

rcarr 3y ago

I think he has caused more damage across the Anglosphere than any outside enemy could ever wish for.

user3939382 3y ago

The entire corporate media is exactly as corrupt as this guy is.

drcongo 3y ago
Before your comment gets downvoted to where it belongs, this is so spectacularly wrongheaded that maybe you should explain it.
- user3939382 3y ago
  Yeah sure. All these corporate news networks do is propagandize the public with State Dept. talking points all day. That's why we've been in endless wars for the last 20 years in case you missed it. Where this comment belongs is top of mind for the entire country which is being bamboolzed by these networks.
  - drcongo 3y ago
    You obviously missed that there's more than one country in the world. Colour me surprised.
  - hackyhacky 3y ago
    As I recall, Murdoch-owned media was very much pro-war in the early 2000s, and dared to call anyone who opposed the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan un-patriotic and pro-terrorist.
hackyhacky 3y ago
Do you consider Fox News to be something other than "corporate media?" Is News Corp. not a corporation? Are they motivated by something other than profit? Please let us know.

ericmcer 3y ago

Its true that other media outlets are doing it as well. Maybe each one believes they are manipulating and exploiting their audience in the "right" way? I wish we could get more Cronkite style anchors, who prided themselves on delivering information to the public in an unemotional and straightforward manner. Instead we get emotionally charged news anchors who are trying to incite the strongest reactions they can get. I always loved the video of Cronkite delivering the news of Kennedy's assassination. https://youtu.be/6PXORQE5-CY?si=papzPPt00V8GC6Hp&t=64 https://youtu.be/6PXORQE5-CY?si=papzPPt00V8GC6Hp&t=64

nurbl 3y ago
I think that is true, but somehow a "race to the bottom" has been going on and some are more guilty than others of setting it in motion. It can be quite hard not to get drawn into such a situation as a for-profit organisation, the perception is go along or die. But it's a choice, if nobody plays along there is no race.
minusf 3y ago
none of the news anchors should get the kind of dramatic powers they acquired over time. obligatory reference to Network (1976) here is a fantastic analysis of Network and rise of the news anchors in the framing of Network: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlCLZIn38ao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlCLZIn38ao
the_snooze 3y ago
>I wish we could get more Cronkite style anchors, who prided themselves on delivering information to the public in an unemotional and straightforward manner. Instead we get emotionally charged news anchors who are trying to incite the strongest reactions they can get. A level-headed Cronkite-like figure would work well in an environment where "the media" knows to get out of the way when there isn't any urgent news to report (e.g., a 9/11-style emergency). But that doesn't make advertisers or shareholders happy, so we're stuck in a ratchet-up environment where EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT ALL THE TIME SO KEEP WATCHING KEEP WATCHING KEEP WATCHING!!!
- 3y ago

hackyhacky 3y ago

"Elites" is widely recognized to be a coded term for deniably referring to the Jews.

toomim 3y ago
Please don't incite racism.
- hackyhacky 3y ago
  I'm not inciting it: I'm pointing it out.
  - toomim 3y ago
    Let's make clear what you did. You told us to conflate the concepts of "elites" with "jews" — converting a discussion about class into one about race. That's what a racist does. A racist sees everything in terms of race. You are seeing everything in terms of race, and telling other people to see things in terms of race. Please do not inject racism into things that don't have anything to do with race. You probably think that it wasn't you who started this racist fire — that you're just pointing out something Rupert Murdoch secretly believes, but (a) you aren't a mind reader — you are just assuming his thoughts based on your opinion, and (b) you are still adding fuel to the fire of racism.

david38 3y ago

You might want to read a little more history