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Why would they keep it secret from the families and children unless it's doing something nefarious?

by ndsipa_pomu 3y ago

jjgreen 3y ago
Quite, if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to hide ...
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  If we've done nothing wrong, then why are they looking... By the way, can you send me your bank and credit card details so that I can just verify that you've done nothing wrong?
  - jjgreen 3y ago
    Sigh. I was agreeing with you, referring to Bristol Council who run the scheme, turning their own propaganda against them.
    - ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
      Sorry, I was expanding on the sentiment, not disagreeing with you.
ben_w 3y ago
https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/social-care-and-health/children-and-families/insight-bristol https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/social-care-and-health/... They're not keeping it secret. It's the same sort of thing as all the EULAs/T&Cs we have to click agree to: much too boring to pay attention to, unless it's a headline. That said: > How long we will keep your personal information? > We will hold this information for as long as it is needed, or if we are required to do so by law. In practice this means that your personal information may be retained for the relevant period listed below: > • Integrated family Support (1772), 75 years - https://www.bristol.gov.uk/files/documents/5977-insight-bristol-privacy-notice/file https://www.bristol.gov.uk/files/documents/5977-insight-bris... How on Earth is 75 years a legitimate duration for any of this information?
- badcppdev 3y ago
  You need to read up on your torts. Injury or harm done to a young person can result in a claim for compensation later in life. That's why paediatric insurance is so complicated.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    "We will keep a record of who you and your family hung out with and what your financial situation was when you were 15 years old, until you are 90, just in case you (or presumably your great-grandchildren) want to sue the estate of someone that statistically will have pre-deceased you by 34 years"? It may be how UK tort law works, making it legally justifiable (or even legally mandatory), but the duration is still definitely stupid and wrong. Well, "stupid and wrong" unless this is one of those things where you need to be a lawyer in the first place to understand all the moving parts that make no sense otherwise; but that's how bad it looks from here.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  Just putting an information page up on the council's website isn't very useful unless the children and families know about the system and know to go looking for it. "The plans were on display..." etc. From TFA: > School safeguarding leads told Fair Trials that they kept the system secret from children and their families. One said: “They [parents and carers] wouldn’t know about this ... parents will have no kind of sight of it at all ... They just don’t know of its existence.”

Why would they keep it secret from the families and children unless it's doing something nefarious?

jjgreen 3y ago

Quite, if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to hide ...

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
If we've done nothing wrong, then why are they looking... By the way, can you send me your bank and credit card details so that I can just verify that you've done nothing wrong?
- jjgreen 3y ago
  Sigh. I was agreeing with you, referring to Bristol Council who run the scheme, turning their own propaganda against them.
  - ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
    Sorry, I was expanding on the sentiment, not disagreeing with you.

ben_w 3y ago

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/social-care-and-health/children-and-families/insight-bristol https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/social-care-and-health/... They're not keeping it secret. It's the same sort of thing as all the EULAs/T&Cs we have to click agree to: much too boring to pay attention to, unless it's a headline. That said: > How long we will keep your personal information? > We will hold this information for as long as it is needed, or if we are required to do so by law. In practice this means that your personal information may be retained for the relevant period listed below: > • Integrated family Support (1772), 75 years - https://www.bristol.gov.uk/files/documents/5977-insight-bristol-privacy-notice/file https://www.bristol.gov.uk/files/documents/5977-insight-bris... How on Earth is 75 years a legitimate duration for any of this information?

badcppdev 3y ago
You need to read up on your torts. Injury or harm done to a young person can result in a claim for compensation later in life. That's why paediatric insurance is so complicated.
- ben_w 3y ago
  "We will keep a record of who you and your family hung out with and what your financial situation was when you were 15 years old, until you are 90, just in case you (or presumably your great-grandchildren) want to sue the estate of someone that statistically will have pre-deceased you by 34 years"? It may be how UK tort law works, making it legally justifiable (or even legally mandatory), but the duration is still definitely stupid and wrong. Well, "stupid and wrong" unless this is one of those things where you need to be a lawyer in the first place to understand all the moving parts that make no sense otherwise; but that's how bad it looks from here.
ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
Just putting an information page up on the council's website isn't very useful unless the children and families know about the system and know to go looking for it. "The plans were on display..." etc. From TFA: > School safeguarding leads told Fair Trials that they kept the system secret from children and their families. One said: “They [parents and carers] wouldn’t know about this ... parents will have no kind of sight of it at all ... They just don’t know of its existence.”