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> They can't keep their map of the entire world 100% updated, that is literally impossible. That's kinda what im saying though. There is such a range of possib

> They can't keep their map of the entire world 100% updated, that is literally impossible. That's kinda what im saying though. There is such a range of possibilities. It could have happened the day before and there was no way to know -> no liability It could also be true that people tried in vain to get their attention about it multiple times over months and google didnt change it despite being made aware it was dangerous -> potentially some liability depending on other factors Societally, thats the purpose of filing the suit - to find out

andrewjf 3y ago
Yes, TFA claims google was notified repeatedly: > Local residents had repeatedly contacted Google to have them change their online maps after the bridge collapsed in 2013, the suit claims.
- thatguy0900 3y ago
  I'm really curious what the actual Google policy on user corrections is. My apartment complex is all mislabeled when it comes to what numbers are in what buildings. When I moved in I entered corrections a few times (and I have to assume I wasn't the only one), yet a year later it remains unchanged.
sfn42 3y ago
I don't know the relevant laws for this case so I can't say anything about what a court might decide. I'm just stating my opinion. Google Maps being wrong is not dangerous. It's an inconvenience. There can be absolutely no expectation that Google Maps is correct. Routes are generated automatically by complex algorithms working on imperfect data. I'm sure if anyone gave a shit they'd find this type of warning in some TOS or whatever. People driving recklessly is dangerous. If you drive off a collapsed bridge you were driving recklessly. There is no way that happens if you drive responsibly. You are literally trying to drive onto a bridge that does not exist, you can't see any bridge there but you are trying to drive onto it anyway. There are two ways I can see this happening. Either you were looking away (generally phone) for multiple seconds without properly looking ahead, or you were going much much faster than you should given the conditions. Google can, in my opinion, not be held responsible for reckless drivers who happen to be using their app.
- PhasmaFelis 3y ago
  Google is not responsible for having immediate, omniscient knowledge of traffic hazards. They are responsible for heeding user-submitted warnings in a reasonably timely fashion, using the systems that they created specifically to do that. That doesn't mean the distracted driver is blameless. More than one party can share blame.
  - sfn42 3y ago
    Yes, Google is responsible for administrating their own app. Yes, Google definitely should update their maps when notified of errors. No, Google does not have any obligation to do so. They are providing an extremely valuable service for free. No, Google does not hold any blame in this case. The moron who drove off a collapsed bridge because he was (probably) busy looking at his phone holds the blame. Google Maps generates routes based on complex algorithms and an absolutely enormous amount of imperfect data. It is not always reliable, nor is there any promise that it will be reliable. It's a tool that usually works. When it doesn't, you figure it out and deal with it.
    - PhasmaFelis 3y ago
      > Yes, Google is responsible for administrating their own app. > > No, Google does not have any obligation to do so. They are providing an extremely valuable service for free. Which is it? Are they responsible, or are they not? The fact that it's free does not absolve them of any moral obligations. (Besides which, it's not "free," it's ad-supported. You're implying that they should get points for their selflessness in providing this service to the world, but that's not what they're doing.) > The moron who drove off a collapsed bridge because he was (probably) busy looking at his phone holds the blame. Why make assumptions when there's information readily available? Look at picture in the article. This was a narrow gap in an unlit, unpainted road in the forest, at night, in the rain. The guardrails were still up. Even if you were tightly focused on the road and driving at a reasonable speed, it could easily look like nothing more than a dark spot in a dark road. The greatest blame probably ought to fall on the local authorities that didn't properly block off the road. But, again, there doesn't have to be just one bad guy.
dvngnt_ 3y ago
they don't have to do the entire world but America would be a good start

andrewjf 3y ago

Yes, TFA claims google was notified repeatedly: > Local residents had repeatedly contacted Google to have them change their online maps after the bridge collapsed in 2013, the suit claims.

thatguy0900 3y ago
I'm really curious what the actual Google policy on user corrections is. My apartment complex is all mislabeled when it comes to what numbers are in what buildings. When I moved in I entered corrections a few times (and I have to assume I wasn't the only one), yet a year later it remains unchanged.

sfn42 3y ago

I don't know the relevant laws for this case so I can't say anything about what a court might decide. I'm just stating my opinion. Google Maps being wrong is not dangerous. It's an inconvenience. There can be absolutely no expectation that Google Maps is correct. Routes are generated automatically by complex algorithms working on imperfect data. I'm sure if anyone gave a shit they'd find this type of warning in some TOS or whatever. People driving recklessly is dangerous. If you drive off a collapsed bridge you were driving recklessly. There is no way that happens if you drive responsibly. You are literally trying to drive onto a bridge that does not exist, you can't see any bridge there but you are trying to drive onto it anyway. There are two ways I can see this happening. Either you were looking away (generally phone) for multiple seconds without properly looking ahead, or you were going much much faster than you should given the conditions. Google can, in my opinion, not be held responsible for reckless drivers who happen to be using their app.

PhasmaFelis 3y ago
Google is not responsible for having immediate, omniscient knowledge of traffic hazards. They are responsible for heeding user-submitted warnings in a reasonably timely fashion, using the systems that they created specifically to do that. That doesn't mean the distracted driver is blameless. More than one party can share blame.
- sfn42 3y ago
  Yes, Google is responsible for administrating their own app. Yes, Google definitely should update their maps when notified of errors. No, Google does not have any obligation to do so. They are providing an extremely valuable service for free. No, Google does not hold any blame in this case. The moron who drove off a collapsed bridge because he was (probably) busy looking at his phone holds the blame. Google Maps generates routes based on complex algorithms and an absolutely enormous amount of imperfect data. It is not always reliable, nor is there any promise that it will be reliable. It's a tool that usually works. When it doesn't, you figure it out and deal with it.
  - PhasmaFelis 3y ago
    > Yes, Google is responsible for administrating their own app. > > No, Google does not have any obligation to do so. They are providing an extremely valuable service for free. Which is it? Are they responsible, or are they not? The fact that it's free does not absolve them of any moral obligations. (Besides which, it's not "free," it's ad-supported. You're implying that they should get points for their selflessness in providing this service to the world, but that's not what they're doing.) > The moron who drove off a collapsed bridge because he was (probably) busy looking at his phone holds the blame. Why make assumptions when there's information readily available? Look at picture in the article. This was a narrow gap in an unlit, unpainted road in the forest, at night, in the rain. The guardrails were still up. Even if you were tightly focused on the road and driving at a reasonable speed, it could easily look like nothing more than a dark spot in a dark road. The greatest blame probably ought to fall on the local authorities that didn't properly block off the road. But, again, there doesn't have to be just one bad guy.

dvngnt_ 3y ago

they don't have to do the entire world but America would be a good start