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Yes. I think this also comes less as a shock as the new generation of directors have a number of studios willing to give them a chance (including new studios be

Yes. I think this also comes less as a shock as the new generation of directors have a number of studios willing to give them a chance (including new studios beasically founded for a single director, or even single piece). Ghibli can stay an icon of a glorious past area, in good hands.

HenryBemis 3y ago
"We'll Always Have Paris" is the phrase that came to my mind. If we are lucky, the Ghibli will be the empty shell holding the royalties/rights/etc of the Miyazaki (and other) produced movies. If we are unlucky, someone will use the brand name to start producing (en masse) garbage, selling it to Netflix, and Netflix will be pushing garbage low-quality, hi-speed cartoons.
- nordsieck 3y ago
  > If we are unlucky, someone will use the brand name to start producing (en masse) garbage, selling it to Netflix, and Netflix will be pushing garbage low-quality, hi-speed cartoons. I would really hate to see the Ghibli version of "rings of power"
  - dwighttk 3y ago
    Don’t have to watch it… we’ll always have the books… maybe one day I’ll forget watching the first third of The Hobbit in 3D
    - hx8 3y ago
      After Game of Thrones season 3 I've began ignoring film adaptations of books I enjoy. I think the risk of tarnishing my experience with a good book is much worse than any possible film enhancement I've experienced. The screenshots from Blade Runner 2 and Dune do look cool though.
      - aftbit 3y ago
        I only read the first Dune book, but I feel like the recent-ish movie did a pretty good job following what happened in the book.
        KineticLensman 3y ago
        The third Dune book (arguably the second) actually illustrates this general point about decline as well. Run screaming from the subsequent books
        yongjik 3y ago
        I think the second and the third was okay, but the fourth was... hmm maybe "decline" is not the right word, it was as if I walked into my favorite coffee shop and they decided to drop a bunch of bricks and PVC pipes on my laps because that's what they do now. (Can't talk about later books - I kinda stopped there and never picked up again. Maybe I should.)
        cmrdporcupine 3y ago
        God Emperor is a slog, but sets the groundwork for Heretics and Chapterhouse, and they're in my opinion very good. I've re-read Chapterhouse more than any of the others. But I think he meant for there to be a final one to follow it, and so it closes off somewhat unsatisfactorily.
        dwighttk 3y ago
        I always tell people to read the first one and stop or grit your teeth and read all of them… (Possible spoiler:) I was a little surprised in my last read through how small a part Duncan Idaho played until I got to the second book and remembered
        cmrdporcupine 3y ago
        No, not run scremaing! God Emperor and beyond are awesome. But they're not the same thing, no. They're far more philosophical, and kind of about something else. The Brian Herbert books are very bad.
  - tetris11 3y ago
    There's a Steven Universe version of Superman right now, and as terrible as that sounds, its pretty good.
    - autoexec 3y ago
      I'll be calling it that from here on, so thanks for that, but I admit I was pleasantly surprised by how good it is. Studio Mir rarely disappoints in terms of quality (although I still think The Legend of Korra was their best work), but I really wasn't expecting the rest of the show to be worth watching.
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      What’s a Steven Universe of Superman mean? Animation style—eh, it changes, cartoons have been getting more stylized/less detailed since, like, the 80’s. It turns out characters don’t need a million belts and pockets to be compelling, haha. Theme-wise, Steven Universe is pretty well received.
      - tetris11 3y ago
        Oh I agree, its just that Superman has always been painted as a wholesome softie only in contrast to his more brooding teammates (JLA, anything that DC has produced). Yet, here he is in a cutesy setting where rarely anyone is brooding, and somehow it just works. It even feels more true to his character, as the lightness of his personality and others is even more contrasted to the seriousness of the situations they face (similar thematically to old school Teen Titans perhaps), and also makes the argument that Earth influenced him for the better as a child much more compelling. The stakes are high, but goodness and strength of character prevails. Best animated version I've seen so far.
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    > I would really hate to see the Ghibli version of "rings of power" Then, don’t see it. Fans need to stop enabling these awful reboots: by withholding their wallets. These IP vampires are only motivated by money, and if we give them money as a reward for milking past franchises, then they will continue to do it.
    - tetris11 3y ago
      People don't vote with their wallets with clear minds though. People vote with half-asleep notions of what's good based on an onslaught of direct and viral marketing combo that threatens to ostracize them from their various social/support groups if they don't consume said product. No one has the time and energy to fight that on every front, nor has the know-how in every conceivable field to understand what is a lie and what isn't.
    - Andrex 3y ago
      Prime is subsidized by a million other things. Cancelling does not send a message, or rather, the message isn't nearly specific enough to be interpreted by Amazon as "we should make a better show and/or stop making this one." The entire feedback loop for the media industry has been perverted by tech companies and Venture Capital vampires, and it wasn't in a great place before.
      - midoridensha 3y ago
        Huh? I'm sure Amazon has no trouble gathering data about exactly how many of its Prime members are watching various shows/movies on their service. They're not going to pour money into something if no one is watching it. It's not like the old days of regular TV where they needed Nielsen to try to guess how many people were watching something.
    - smolder 3y ago
      I agree in principle, but it can be difficult in practice to vote with your wallet. In the case of movies, once you have a ticket or purchase it or even rent it, they've got your money and have learned the lesson that people will pay, regardless of how you felt about what you watched or whether you intend to boycott future productions. In general, though, I do try to send the signal that I'm not personally a garbage dump for low effort content, by doing a few things: - No "guilty pleasure" watching of things that I'd prefer didn't exist, i.e. junk reality TV - Actively avoiding clicking on things that have clickbait titles, especially if they're part of an algo-feed - Read reviews / get reviews from friends first - If a streaming show is bad, stop watching ASAP. Stopping at episode 2/10 is a reliable signal for Netflix et al.
- xwdv 3y ago
  Who cares? The past has happened, and nobody can change it, nobody can go back and unmake those movies we saw. Nobody can take the memories away. The point is it doesn’t matter anymore. Someone can take the name and make mass produced garbage, you don’t have to watch it. Ghibli doesn’t mean anything. Let it go. People care too much about keeping everything exactly the same.
  - MangoCoffee 3y ago
    >Someone can take the name and make mass produced garbage This hit hard. Disney bought Lucasfilm. Look at Indiana Jones 5, I don't think anyone ask for it, but Disney made it and it's a major flop.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    I agree, but it seems like many people are incapable of thinking this way. See the number of people who say that new star wars ruined old star wars, "ruined their childhood" even. How? How can a new movie ruin an old movie? Causality does not work in that direction. But some people think it does and the illogicality of their position doesn't change the fact of how they genuinely feel.
    - autoexec 3y ago
      > How? How can a new movie ruin an old movie? I think it must be kind of like desecrating a corpse. Maybe watching someone dig up and do something prolonged and unthinkable to the body of your dead grandmother can't undo all the lovely years you had together, but if witnessing that act enraged you, you might find that suddenly every time you see her photo or visit her grave you're reminded of what you saw and that it upsets you all over again.
      - ryandrake 3y ago
        Not saying I fully buy it but I think the fans’ point is that what Disney is doing to Star Wars today is diminishing the entirety of Star Wars, the average of past + present. Every new Transformers or Indiana Jones or Ice Age makes the overall work worse, regardless of whether you even see it.
- moomin 3y ago
  Imagine if DC purchased it and started running plots with Lady Eboshi having a smackdown with Ozymandias.
- teawrecks 3y ago
  Waiting for them to train an AI on Miyazaki's art/writing style and pump out a bunch of junk.
- reso 3y ago
  Spirited Away 2: Rise of the Bathhouse

HenryBemis 3y ago

"We'll Always Have Paris" is the phrase that came to my mind. If we are lucky, the Ghibli will be the empty shell holding the royalties/rights/etc of the Miyazaki (and other) produced movies. If we are unlucky, someone will use the brand name to start producing (en masse) garbage, selling it to Netflix, and Netflix will be pushing garbage low-quality, hi-speed cartoons.

nordsieck 3y ago
> If we are unlucky, someone will use the brand name to start producing (en masse) garbage, selling it to Netflix, and Netflix will be pushing garbage low-quality, hi-speed cartoons. I would really hate to see the Ghibli version of "rings of power"
- dwighttk 3y ago
  Don’t have to watch it… we’ll always have the books… maybe one day I’ll forget watching the first third of The Hobbit in 3D
  - hx8 3y ago
    After Game of Thrones season 3 I've began ignoring film adaptations of books I enjoy. I think the risk of tarnishing my experience with a good book is much worse than any possible film enhancement I've experienced. The screenshots from Blade Runner 2 and Dune do look cool though.
    - aftbit 3y ago
      I only read the first Dune book, but I feel like the recent-ish movie did a pretty good job following what happened in the book.
      - KineticLensman 3y ago
        The third Dune book (arguably the second) actually illustrates this general point about decline as well. Run screaming from the subsequent books
        yongjik 3y ago
        I think the second and the third was okay, but the fourth was... hmm maybe "decline" is not the right word, it was as if I walked into my favorite coffee shop and they decided to drop a bunch of bricks and PVC pipes on my laps because that's what they do now. (Can't talk about later books - I kinda stopped there and never picked up again. Maybe I should.)
        cmrdporcupine 3y ago
        God Emperor is a slog, but sets the groundwork for Heretics and Chapterhouse, and they're in my opinion very good. I've re-read Chapterhouse more than any of the others. But I think he meant for there to be a final one to follow it, and so it closes off somewhat unsatisfactorily.
        dwighttk 3y ago
        I always tell people to read the first one and stop or grit your teeth and read all of them… (Possible spoiler:) I was a little surprised in my last read through how small a part Duncan Idaho played until I got to the second book and remembered
        cmrdporcupine 3y ago
        No, not run scremaing! God Emperor and beyond are awesome. But they're not the same thing, no. They're far more philosophical, and kind of about something else. The Brian Herbert books are very bad.
- tetris11 3y ago
  There's a Steven Universe version of Superman right now, and as terrible as that sounds, its pretty good.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    I'll be calling it that from here on, so thanks for that, but I admit I was pleasantly surprised by how good it is. Studio Mir rarely disappoints in terms of quality (although I still think The Legend of Korra was their best work), but I really wasn't expecting the rest of the show to be worth watching.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    What’s a Steven Universe of Superman mean? Animation style—eh, it changes, cartoons have been getting more stylized/less detailed since, like, the 80’s. It turns out characters don’t need a million belts and pockets to be compelling, haha. Theme-wise, Steven Universe is pretty well received.
    - tetris11 3y ago
      Oh I agree, its just that Superman has always been painted as a wholesome softie only in contrast to his more brooding teammates (JLA, anything that DC has produced). Yet, here he is in a cutesy setting where rarely anyone is brooding, and somehow it just works. It even feels more true to his character, as the lightness of his personality and others is even more contrasted to the seriousness of the situations they face (similar thematically to old school Teen Titans perhaps), and also makes the argument that Earth influenced him for the better as a child much more compelling. The stakes are high, but goodness and strength of character prevails. Best animated version I've seen so far.
- ryandrake 3y ago
  > I would really hate to see the Ghibli version of "rings of power" Then, don’t see it. Fans need to stop enabling these awful reboots: by withholding their wallets. These IP vampires are only motivated by money, and if we give them money as a reward for milking past franchises, then they will continue to do it.
  - tetris11 3y ago
    People don't vote with their wallets with clear minds though. People vote with half-asleep notions of what's good based on an onslaught of direct and viral marketing combo that threatens to ostracize them from their various social/support groups if they don't consume said product. No one has the time and energy to fight that on every front, nor has the know-how in every conceivable field to understand what is a lie and what isn't.
  - Andrex 3y ago
    Prime is subsidized by a million other things. Cancelling does not send a message, or rather, the message isn't nearly specific enough to be interpreted by Amazon as "we should make a better show and/or stop making this one." The entire feedback loop for the media industry has been perverted by tech companies and Venture Capital vampires, and it wasn't in a great place before.
    - midoridensha 3y ago
      Huh? I'm sure Amazon has no trouble gathering data about exactly how many of its Prime members are watching various shows/movies on their service. They're not going to pour money into something if no one is watching it. It's not like the old days of regular TV where they needed Nielsen to try to guess how many people were watching something.
  - smolder 3y ago
    I agree in principle, but it can be difficult in practice to vote with your wallet. In the case of movies, once you have a ticket or purchase it or even rent it, they've got your money and have learned the lesson that people will pay, regardless of how you felt about what you watched or whether you intend to boycott future productions. In general, though, I do try to send the signal that I'm not personally a garbage dump for low effort content, by doing a few things: - No "guilty pleasure" watching of things that I'd prefer didn't exist, i.e. junk reality TV - Actively avoiding clicking on things that have clickbait titles, especially if they're part of an algo-feed - Read reviews / get reviews from friends first - If a streaming show is bad, stop watching ASAP. Stopping at episode 2/10 is a reliable signal for Netflix et al.
xwdv 3y ago
Who cares? The past has happened, and nobody can change it, nobody can go back and unmake those movies we saw. Nobody can take the memories away. The point is it doesn’t matter anymore. Someone can take the name and make mass produced garbage, you don’t have to watch it. Ghibli doesn’t mean anything. Let it go. People care too much about keeping everything exactly the same.
- MangoCoffee 3y ago
  >Someone can take the name and make mass produced garbage This hit hard. Disney bought Lucasfilm. Look at Indiana Jones 5, I don't think anyone ask for it, but Disney made it and it's a major flop.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  I agree, but it seems like many people are incapable of thinking this way. See the number of people who say that new star wars ruined old star wars, "ruined their childhood" even. How? How can a new movie ruin an old movie? Causality does not work in that direction. But some people think it does and the illogicality of their position doesn't change the fact of how they genuinely feel.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    > How? How can a new movie ruin an old movie? I think it must be kind of like desecrating a corpse. Maybe watching someone dig up and do something prolonged and unthinkable to the body of your dead grandmother can't undo all the lovely years you had together, but if witnessing that act enraged you, you might find that suddenly every time you see her photo or visit her grave you're reminded of what you saw and that it upsets you all over again.
    - ryandrake 3y ago
      Not saying I fully buy it but I think the fans’ point is that what Disney is doing to Star Wars today is diminishing the entirety of Star Wars, the average of past + present. Every new Transformers or Indiana Jones or Ice Age makes the overall work worse, regardless of whether you even see it.
moomin 3y ago
Imagine if DC purchased it and started running plots with Lady Eboshi having a smackdown with Ozymandias.
teawrecks 3y ago
Waiting for them to train an AI on Miyazaki's art/writing style and pump out a bunch of junk.
reso 3y ago
Spirited Away 2: Rise of the Bathhouse