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> Much of the world views India as a corrupt, low-trust society Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion. > Despite all of the advantages Indi

by reisse 3y ago

> Much of the world views India as a corrupt, low-trust society Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion. > Despite all of the advantages India enjoyed it has a GDP per capita below Congo. Congo-Brazzavile, which has GDP per capita slightly above India, is a petrocracy with only a 5 million people. DR Congo, which may be comparable, has GDP per capita four times lower than in India. Applying the same logic, I can say that US is more corrupt and low-trust because Qatar has higher GDP per capita. > An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter. If 7% average annual GDP growth for the last twenty years is now considered "faltering", I don't know what to say. > Even if you think this is some sort of poetic justice tax[1] on ugly Westerners I haven't stated that it is my opinion.

llm_nerd 3y ago
The "you" in that comment were the people who you were characterizing. >Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation. I mean, you literally described a tacit acceptance of scammers as a norm... >If 7% average annual GDP growth for the last twenty years is now considered "faltering" After 20 years of that GDP growth, India now has a GDP per capita between the Ivory Coast and Nicaragua. When you have nowhere to go but up, and are basically a ship being lifted by a rising tide, it isn't that demonstrative. India had the English language and a membership in the commonwealth in a world where that was a tremendous advantage. While Hong Kong, Singapore, and others became incredibly rich, India became known as a corrupt nation where public corruption was endemic and criminality/scamming was tolerated (again, you literally did exactly this justification). When criminality is tolerated it levies a cost on the entirety of that society. India should be decades further in prosperity than it is, and I think you might be missing the point. And at some point, someone is going to say "you know, being internationally infamous for scam centres isn't good for us" and there'll be a concerted effort to shut them down. >Applying the same logic, I can say that US is more corrupt and low-trust because Qatar has higher GDP per capita. That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following.
- subtra3t 3y ago
  Not the guy you're replying to, but: > Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation I can't tell if this is satire or not but I don't think a "world [that] views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation" would have good ties with such a nation. Unless the US, France, and some African nations are all too "fundamentally corrupt" in some way. Perhaps only a few nations on this planet are blessed enough to be deemed fundamentally (not-)corrupt by you. > That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following. Why not? They applied the same logic that you used in your original comment, but this time applying it to a different set of countries. Does logic automatically become invalid when it no longer supports your statement? You If this indeed was a satirical statement, I apologise in case I took your comment too literally.
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    >would have good ties with such a nation Nation states will happily lever anyone they can exploit. As China ascends out of the "cheap labour" stage, and starts to become formidable on its own, everyone is looking at India as the next "China 30 years ago" -- lot of cheap exploitable labour. "Good ties" is quite a reach. I mean...India should have been the "China 30 years ago" 30 years ago, but exactly the corruption I mentioned is why it wasn't. Defensiveness by Indians doesn't change this fact. >They applied the same logic that you used in your original comment They applied boorish, childish sophistry of busted logic out of defensiveness. I said that India's GDP is disastrous despite massive advantages. Replying "Well someone else has a good GDP therefore they something something" is just tired nonsense. >If this indeed was a satirical statement The "oh gosh this must be satire" tactic has always been incredibly lame.
    - subtra3t 3y ago
      > become formidable on its own If you mean to say that India on its own is not formidable in its current condition, you are living in an echo chamber. Several of India's achievements have made it a formidable country in its own right > "Good ties" is quite a reach Again, it appears that you are the only one with this view. In 2023, 70% of all Americans were held favorable views with regard to India [0]. > they applied boorish, childish sophistry of busted logic out of defensiveness. I said that India's GDP is disastrous despite massive advantages. Replying "Well someone else has a good GDP therefore they something something" is just tired nonsense. Yet you were quite eager to use the measurement GDP per capita to somehow to portray India in an inferior light? Perhaps you need to read your own comments again, lest you contradict yourself again. And I suppose being the country with the 3rd largest GDP (based on PPP) is "distastrous", right? Again something you got incredibly wrong. India is also the 5th largest country by nominal GDP. > lot of cheap exploitable labour Ah yes, explains the extremely good ties US has with Cuba (a country with no minimum wage). Accusing other countries of not fully cooperating in the fight against terrorism [1] is something that only the best of friends do, right? > The "oh gosh this must be satire" tactic has always been incredibly lame. Well the things you said in your comment were so mind bogglingly wrong that I had to include that. Comparing India with Congo? Really? Then you started crying when the other guy used your own method to say that Qatar was better than US. [0]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/472421/canada-britain-favored-russia-korea-least.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/472421/canada-britain-favored-r... [1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-says-cuba-not-cooperating-fully-against-terrorism-inflaming-tensions-2022-05-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-says-cuba-not-coop...

by reisse 3y ago

llm_nerd 3y ago

The "you" in that comment were the people who you were characterizing. >Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation. I mean, you literally described a tacit acceptance of scammers as a norm... >If 7% average annual GDP growth for the last twenty years is now considered "faltering" After 20 years of that GDP growth, India now has a GDP per capita between the Ivory Coast and Nicaragua. When you have nowhere to go but up, and are basically a ship being lifted by a rising tide, it isn't that demonstrative. India had the English language and a membership in the commonwealth in a world where that was a tremendous advantage. While Hong Kong, Singapore, and others became incredibly rich, India became known as a corrupt nation where public corruption was endemic and criminality/scamming was tolerated (again, you literally did exactly this justification). When criminality is tolerated it levies a cost on the entirety of that society. India should be decades further in prosperity than it is, and I think you might be missing the point. And at some point, someone is going to say "you know, being internationally infamous for scam centres isn't good for us" and there'll be a concerted effort to shut them down. >Applying the same logic, I can say that US is more corrupt and low-trust because Qatar has higher GDP per capita. That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following.

subtra3t 3y ago
Not the guy you're replying to, but: > Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation I can't tell if this is satire or not but I don't think a "world [that] views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation" would have good ties with such a nation. Unless the US, France, and some African nations are all too "fundamentally corrupt" in some way. Perhaps only a few nations on this planet are blessed enough to be deemed fundamentally (not-)corrupt by you. > That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following. Why not? They applied the same logic that you used in your original comment, but this time applying it to a different set of countries. Does logic automatically become invalid when it no longer supports your statement? You If this indeed was a satirical statement, I apologise in case I took your comment too literally.
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  >would have good ties with such a nation Nation states will happily lever anyone they can exploit. As China ascends out of the "cheap labour" stage, and starts to become formidable on its own, everyone is looking at India as the next "China 30 years ago" -- lot of cheap exploitable labour. "Good ties" is quite a reach. I mean...India should have been the "China 30 years ago" 30 years ago, but exactly the corruption I mentioned is why it wasn't. Defensiveness by Indians doesn't change this fact. >They applied the same logic that you used in your original comment They applied boorish, childish sophistry of busted logic out of defensiveness. I said that India's GDP is disastrous despite massive advantages. Replying "Well someone else has a good GDP therefore they something something" is just tired nonsense. >If this indeed was a satirical statement The "oh gosh this must be satire" tactic has always been incredibly lame.
  - subtra3t 3y ago
    > become formidable on its own If you mean to say that India on its own is not formidable in its current condition, you are living in an echo chamber. Several of India's achievements have made it a formidable country in its own right > "Good ties" is quite a reach Again, it appears that you are the only one with this view. In 2023, 70% of all Americans were held favorable views with regard to India [0]. > they applied boorish, childish sophistry of busted logic out of defensiveness. I said that India's GDP is disastrous despite massive advantages. Replying "Well someone else has a good GDP therefore they something something" is just tired nonsense. Yet you were quite eager to use the measurement GDP per capita to somehow to portray India in an inferior light? Perhaps you need to read your own comments again, lest you contradict yourself again. And I suppose being the country with the 3rd largest GDP (based on PPP) is "distastrous", right? Again something you got incredibly wrong. India is also the 5th largest country by nominal GDP. > lot of cheap exploitable labour Ah yes, explains the extremely good ties US has with Cuba (a country with no minimum wage). Accusing other countries of not fully cooperating in the fight against terrorism [1] is something that only the best of friends do, right? > The "oh gosh this must be satire" tactic has always been incredibly lame. Well the things you said in your comment were so mind bogglingly wrong that I had to include that. Comparing India with Congo? Really? Then you started crying when the other guy used your own method to say that Qatar was better than US. [0]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/472421/canada-britain-favored-russia-korea-least.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/472421/canada-britain-favored-r... [1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-says-cuba-not-cooperating-fully-against-terrorism-inflaming-tensions-2022-05-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-says-cuba-not-coop...