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"Most academic institutions have been sued many times due to the volume of nonsense they feed kids." I've never heard of that happening, let alone many times t

"Most academic institutions have been sued many times due to the volume of nonsense they feed kids." I've never heard of that happening, let alone many times to most institutions.

Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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- bananapub 3y ago
  so your weird unfounded assertion is also explicitly unprovable? awesome, thanks for sharing.
  - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
    In general lexis nexus holds the records of former students suing for BS employment promises. You would be fairly surprised who showed up besides trump u in the states. It was a lot more common than most like to admit. =)
- jcranmer 3y ago
  > Part of the settlements is an NDA. If someone is sued, that creates a court record. Even if the terms of the settlement are not disclosed, that there was a settlement is lodged in the court record, and publicly accessible. Even if court records are sealed, the existence of the case is not, and initial complaints are rarely sealed. In short, if suing universities because of what they're teaching is routine, you should be able to point to court cases. If you can't find them, then it's not because it's secret--secret court cases don't exist--it's because they don't exist.
  - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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    - jcranmer 3y ago
      Give me three case numbers of cases where former students successfully sued the institution (cases that were dismissed don't count--just because a case was filed does not mean it is meritorious). Those case numbers should make it easy for anyone to find the complete docket of the case on PACER (if it's federal court) or applicable state courts (well, to the degree to which states make their dockets easily accessible). You made the assertion; it's your job, not my job, to provide evidence for your assertion, and I've put you on notice as to the evidence that is satisfactory. If you can't provide the evidence, I have no reason to believe your assertion.
      - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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        jcranmer 3y ago
        > You would be fairly surprised who showed up besides trump u in the states. Okay then, who showed up? You imply you know who. It shouldn't take any effort to name anybody, if you already know them.
        Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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        tptacek 3y ago
        POC||GTFO, as the kids say.
        Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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  - tptacek 3y ago
    In the spirit of generosity, you might conclude that the parent commenter simply has their wires crossed, and has cases involving for-profit schools like University of Phoenix confused with real universities. If you didn't know much about higher education, you might think UPhoenix was one; it's in the name.
    - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
      Nope, but thank you for your concern. The local class action case was with a local school that privatized, lost accreditation, and eventually became a trade school. The other University case I alluded to was covered in the news, and was notable indeed, I'm just being careful here. Have a great day =)
      - jcranmer 3y ago
        And you're still refusing to tell us any names because we're somehow lazy for not being able to correctly guess what locality you're in, what time you're talking about, and search local media history for that timeframe to uncover the case you're referring to?
        Joel_Mckay 3y ago
        While I am risk averse around potentially litigious content, there are plenty of publicly accessible recent examples to examine at ones leisure. Note the two scandals I was alluding to are not on these lists, but follow the familiar theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE Try being a little more civil when asking for clarification. =) Canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/cdi-college-lawsuit-settled-edmonton-nursing-students-1.4671504 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/cdi-college-lawsuit-... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/jackie-healey-sues-red-river-college-1.3705587 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/jackie-healey-sues-r... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/former-students-sue-surrey-college-allege-they-were-misled-by-police-foundations-course-1.4881135 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/former-stude... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-okotoks-flight-school-students-lawsuit-1.6161449 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-okotoks-fligh... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ex-students-sue-toronto-college-over-business-program-1.846142 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ex-students-sue-toron... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/watch-student-sues-u-of-r-1.1103182 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/watch-student-su... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/former-phd-student-gets-ok-to-sue-western-claims-he-was-pushed-out-after-supervisor-died-1.5009539 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/former-phd-student-get... US https://sites.ed.gov/naciqi/files/2018/05/NACIQI-Enclosure-1-law-enforcement.pdf https://sites.ed.gov/naciqi/files/2018/05/NACIQI-Enclosure-1... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-25-universities-sue-refunds-after-campuses-close-due-coronavirus-n1200746 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-25-universitie... https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/11/lawsuit-claims-colleges-overcharged-students-by-hundreds-of-millions.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/11/lawsuit-claims-colleges-over... For-profit institutions funded by predatory loans: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/navient-student-loan-settlement/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/navient-student-loan...
- __mharrison__ 3y ago
  Can someone enlighten me as to what "T" means? First time I've seen it.
  - jcranmer 3y ago
    Not sure, but the individual previously had a different comment that was edited to be just "T".
    - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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  - sbierwagen 3y ago
    HN won't let you delete a comment if it has replies. The workaround, if you're still in the edit window, is to delete all the text instead. Doing this is considered rude.
    - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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    - __mharrison__ 3y ago
      Thanks.

"Most academic institutions have been sued many times due to the volume of nonsense they feed kids." I've never heard of that happening, let alone many times to most institutions.

Joel_Mckay 3y ago

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bananapub 3y ago
so your weird unfounded assertion is also explicitly unprovable? awesome, thanks for sharing.
- Joel_Mckay 3y ago
  In general lexis nexus holds the records of former students suing for BS employment promises. You would be fairly surprised who showed up besides trump u in the states. It was a lot more common than most like to admit. =)
jcranmer 3y ago
> Part of the settlements is an NDA. If someone is sued, that creates a court record. Even if the terms of the settlement are not disclosed, that there was a settlement is lodged in the court record, and publicly accessible. Even if court records are sealed, the existence of the case is not, and initial complaints are rarely sealed. In short, if suing universities because of what they're teaching is routine, you should be able to point to court cases. If you can't find them, then it's not because it's secret--secret court cases don't exist--it's because they don't exist.
- Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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  - jcranmer 3y ago
    Give me three case numbers of cases where former students successfully sued the institution (cases that were dismissed don't count--just because a case was filed does not mean it is meritorious). Those case numbers should make it easy for anyone to find the complete docket of the case on PACER (if it's federal court) or applicable state courts (well, to the degree to which states make their dockets easily accessible). You made the assertion; it's your job, not my job, to provide evidence for your assertion, and I've put you on notice as to the evidence that is satisfactory. If you can't provide the evidence, I have no reason to believe your assertion.
    - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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      - jcranmer 3y ago
        > You would be fairly surprised who showed up besides trump u in the states. Okay then, who showed up? You imply you know who. It shouldn't take any effort to name anybody, if you already know them.
        Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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        tptacek 3y ago
        POC||GTFO, as the kids say.
        Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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- tptacek 3y ago
  In the spirit of generosity, you might conclude that the parent commenter simply has their wires crossed, and has cases involving for-profit schools like University of Phoenix confused with real universities. If you didn't know much about higher education, you might think UPhoenix was one; it's in the name.
  - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
    Nope, but thank you for your concern. The local class action case was with a local school that privatized, lost accreditation, and eventually became a trade school. The other University case I alluded to was covered in the news, and was notable indeed, I'm just being careful here. Have a great day =)
    - jcranmer 3y ago
      And you're still refusing to tell us any names because we're somehow lazy for not being able to correctly guess what locality you're in, what time you're talking about, and search local media history for that timeframe to uncover the case you're referring to?
      - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
        While I am risk averse around potentially litigious content, there are plenty of publicly accessible recent examples to examine at ones leisure. Note the two scandals I was alluding to are not on these lists, but follow the familiar theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE Try being a little more civil when asking for clarification. =) Canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/cdi-college-lawsuit-settled-edmonton-nursing-students-1.4671504 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/cdi-college-lawsuit-... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/jackie-healey-sues-red-river-college-1.3705587 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/jackie-healey-sues-r... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/former-students-sue-surrey-college-allege-they-were-misled-by-police-foundations-course-1.4881135 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/former-stude... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-okotoks-flight-school-students-lawsuit-1.6161449 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-okotoks-fligh... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ex-students-sue-toronto-college-over-business-program-1.846142 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ex-students-sue-toron... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/watch-student-sues-u-of-r-1.1103182 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/watch-student-su... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/former-phd-student-gets-ok-to-sue-western-claims-he-was-pushed-out-after-supervisor-died-1.5009539 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/former-phd-student-get... US https://sites.ed.gov/naciqi/files/2018/05/NACIQI-Enclosure-1-law-enforcement.pdf https://sites.ed.gov/naciqi/files/2018/05/NACIQI-Enclosure-1... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-25-universities-sue-refunds-after-campuses-close-due-coronavirus-n1200746 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-25-universitie... https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/11/lawsuit-claims-colleges-overcharged-students-by-hundreds-of-millions.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/11/lawsuit-claims-colleges-over... For-profit institutions funded by predatory loans: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/navient-student-loan-settlement/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/navient-student-loan...
__mharrison__ 3y ago
Can someone enlighten me as to what "T" means? First time I've seen it.
- jcranmer 3y ago
  Not sure, but the individual previously had a different comment that was edited to be just "T".
  - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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- sbierwagen 3y ago
  HN won't let you delete a comment if it has replies. The workaround, if you're still in the edit window, is to delete all the text instead. Doing this is considered rude.
  - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
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  - __mharrison__ 3y ago
    Thanks.