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Have you seen politicians accusing Indian government in allowing theft and organised crime? Because if not, there is no reputation loss. And I think politicians

by reisse 3y ago

Have you seen politicians accusing Indian government in allowing theft and organised crime? Because if not, there is no reputation loss. And I think politicians can close their eyes on the few scammers here and there for the access to Indian markets. Besides, there is an angle of view "rich westerners extortioned our country for centuries, and now are accusing us with the same because of few scammers we're certainly honestly (not) trying to catch" which will be very popular in a certain parts of the world.

llm_nerd 3y ago
"Because if not, there is no reputation loss." Much of the world views India as a corrupt, low-trust society, and it is things like scam centres operating as full blown, in the open operations that built and maintains this reputation. And of course there are costs. China has shot miles ahead of India. Despite all of the advantages India enjoyed it has a GDP per capita below Congo. An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter. Even if you think this is some sort of poetic justice tax[1] on ugly Westerners, this sort of criminality always goes hand in hand with corruption at all levels of government, in policing, and so on. Always. [1] quoting from the Narcissist's prayer: "And if I did, you deserved it.". Criminals through history have justified their actions by claiming that it is merely righting some historic wrong.
- reisse 3y ago
  > Much of the world views India as a corrupt, low-trust society Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion. > Despite all of the advantages India enjoyed it has a GDP per capita below Congo. Congo-Brazzavile, which has GDP per capita slightly above India, is a petrocracy with only a 5 million people. DR Congo, which may be comparable, has GDP per capita four times lower than in India. Applying the same logic, I can say that US is more corrupt and low-trust because Qatar has higher GDP per capita. > An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter. If 7% average annual GDP growth for the last twenty years is now considered "faltering", I don't know what to say. > Even if you think this is some sort of poetic justice tax[1] on ugly Westerners I haven't stated that it is my opinion.
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    The "you" in that comment were the people who you were characterizing. >Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation. I mean, you literally described a tacit acceptance of scammers as a norm... >If 7% average annual GDP growth for the last twenty years is now considered "faltering" After 20 years of that GDP growth, India now has a GDP per capita between the Ivory Coast and Nicaragua. When you have nowhere to go but up, and are basically a ship being lifted by a rising tide, it isn't that demonstrative. India had the English language and a membership in the commonwealth in a world where that was a tremendous advantage. While Hong Kong, Singapore, and others became incredibly rich, India became known as a corrupt nation where public corruption was endemic and criminality/scamming was tolerated (again, you literally did exactly this justification). When criminality is tolerated it levies a cost on the entirety of that society. India should be decades further in prosperity than it is, and I think you might be missing the point. And at some point, someone is going to say "you know, being internationally infamous for scam centres isn't good for us" and there'll be a concerted effort to shut them down. >Applying the same logic, I can say that US is more corrupt and low-trust because Qatar has higher GDP per capita. That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following.
    - subtra3t 3y ago
      Not the guy you're replying to, but: > Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation I can't tell if this is satire or not but I don't think a "world [that] views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation" would have good ties with such a nation. Unless the US, France, and some African nations are all too "fundamentally corrupt" in some way. Perhaps only a few nations on this planet are blessed enough to be deemed fundamentally (not-)corrupt by you. > That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following. Why not? They applied the same logic that you used in your original comment, but this time applying it to a different set of countries. Does logic automatically become invalid when it no longer supports your statement? You If this indeed was a satirical statement, I apologise in case I took your comment too literally.
- user_7832 3y ago
  > An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter. Do you genuinely believe India makes a significant amount of its GDP from scam centres and corruption?
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    That doesn't follow from what I said. Scam centres might contribute an absolutely tiny, minuscule amount of economic activity. But the fact that they openly exist, do effectively nothing to hide, and authorities do little to nothing to combat it, demonstrates pervasive corruption and criminality.
  - slowmotiony 3y ago
    Yes.

by reisse 3y ago

llm_nerd 3y ago

"Because if not, there is no reputation loss." Much of the world views India as a corrupt, low-trust society, and it is things like scam centres operating as full blown, in the open operations that built and maintains this reputation. And of course there are costs. China has shot miles ahead of India. Despite all of the advantages India enjoyed it has a GDP per capita below Congo. An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter. Even if you think this is some sort of poetic justice tax[1] on ugly Westerners, this sort of criminality always goes hand in hand with corruption at all levels of government, in policing, and so on. Always. [1] quoting from the Narcissist's prayer: "And if I did, you deserved it.". Criminals through history have justified their actions by claiming that it is merely righting some historic wrong.

reisse 3y ago
> Much of the world views India as a corrupt, low-trust society Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion. > Despite all of the advantages India enjoyed it has a GDP per capita below Congo. Congo-Brazzavile, which has GDP per capita slightly above India, is a petrocracy with only a 5 million people. DR Congo, which may be comparable, has GDP per capita four times lower than in India. Applying the same logic, I can say that US is more corrupt and low-trust because Qatar has higher GDP per capita. > An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter. If 7% average annual GDP growth for the last twenty years is now considered "faltering", I don't know what to say. > Even if you think this is some sort of poetic justice tax[1] on ugly Westerners I haven't stated that it is my opinion.
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  The "you" in that comment were the people who you were characterizing. >Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation. I mean, you literally described a tacit acceptance of scammers as a norm... >If 7% average annual GDP growth for the last twenty years is now considered "faltering" After 20 years of that GDP growth, India now has a GDP per capita between the Ivory Coast and Nicaragua. When you have nowhere to go but up, and are basically a ship being lifted by a rising tide, it isn't that demonstrative. India had the English language and a membership in the commonwealth in a world where that was a tremendous advantage. While Hong Kong, Singapore, and others became incredibly rich, India became known as a corrupt nation where public corruption was endemic and criminality/scamming was tolerated (again, you literally did exactly this justification). When criminality is tolerated it levies a cost on the entirety of that society. India should be decades further in prosperity than it is, and I think you might be missing the point. And at some point, someone is going to say "you know, being internationally infamous for scam centres isn't good for us" and there'll be a concerted effort to shut them down. >Applying the same logic, I can say that US is more corrupt and low-trust because Qatar has higher GDP per capita. That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following.
  - subtra3t 3y ago
    Not the guy you're replying to, but: > Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation I can't tell if this is satire or not but I don't think a "world [that] views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation" would have good ties with such a nation. Unless the US, France, and some African nations are all too "fundamentally corrupt" in some way. Perhaps only a few nations on this planet are blessed enough to be deemed fundamentally (not-)corrupt by you. > That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following. Why not? They applied the same logic that you used in your original comment, but this time applying it to a different set of countries. Does logic automatically become invalid when it no longer supports your statement? You If this indeed was a satirical statement, I apologise in case I took your comment too literally.
user_7832 3y ago
> An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter. Do you genuinely believe India makes a significant amount of its GDP from scam centres and corruption?
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  That doesn't follow from what I said. Scam centres might contribute an absolutely tiny, minuscule amount of economic activity. But the fact that they openly exist, do effectively nothing to hide, and authorities do little to nothing to combat it, demonstrates pervasive corruption and criminality.
- slowmotiony 3y ago
  Yes.