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Impunity Cyber crime usually targets external countries and it brings money in to the local economy, so little incentive for the government to target it Same

Impunity Cyber crime usually targets external countries and it brings money in to the local economy, so little incentive for the government to target it Same as hackers in Russia having impunity as long as they're not targeting USSR countries

ttyyzz 3y ago
Sure, but I think the country's image suffered greatly as a result. In contrast to Russia, I can hardly imagine that the country's leadership doesn't care.
- PaywallBuster 3y ago
  > country's image abstract terms with no implications Compare that with solid $ figures: if there's 1B in cyber crime money flowing to India per year split by 100k workers that's $10k/year each, double average salary in india Same like Russia, there can be a lot of complaints about Russia, but everyone still buying oil from Russia
- alephnerd 3y ago
  India is a federal country. There are various layers of federal, state, local, and municipal governments and enforcement you need to peel through to crack down on stuff like this, especially if an operation ends up partially co-opting the state and local portion, or if the state and the federal portion are opponents of each other. The Indian version of the FBI can't operate in states without their explicit permission, and there have been multiple cases where state police will end up arresting each other because competing politicians in neighboring states would file motions against each other. For example - https://m.timesofindia.com/india/explainer-inter-state-police-arrest-procedures-cooperation/articleshow/91378510.cms https://m.timesofindia.com/india/explainer-inter-state-polic...
- lenkite 3y ago
  It does care. Some folks here are just posting their pet speculations as facts without actually checking their assertions. Indian police regularly work with the U.S. FBI. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/delhi/international-cyber-crime-gang-busted-4-held-518356 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/delhi/international-cyber-... I can post 2 dozen such bust-ups in the last few years alone. The problem is that India is large nation with a humongous internet-growing population and the Indian police are still far behind their western counterparts. Also, compared to the FBI, the Indian CBI lacks teeth. Please note that the FBI also ranks India as among the top five countries in terms of total cybercrime victims.
enkid 3y ago
I'm pretty sure Russian hackers target former USSR countries. Estonia and Ukraine come to mind, but I would imagine all of the Baltic states, Georgia, and Moldova would be ok as well.
- nurgasemetey 3y ago
  There was an article about this -https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/try-this-one-weird-trick-russian-hackers-hate/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/try-this-one-weird-trick... . Basically, malicious programs will not target hosts that have Cyrillic or other languages of Russian aligned countries.
  - enkid 3y ago
    There have been a ton of attacks originating from Russia against Ukraine and Estonia very publicly. Read Sandworm for a deep dive. Just because some hackers are lazy and use a Cyrillic keyboard as a lazy man's geofencing does not mean these countries are off limits.
    - nurgasemetey 3y ago
      Yes, I agree with you. I just remember some countries were not targeted by Russian hackers, think like some agreement.
- mistrial9 3y ago
  I read a lot of James Bond novels, so I can imagine what goes on...
citrin_ru 3y ago
More likely hackers in Russia can avoid prosecution as long as they don’t target Russia’s allies (not all exUSSR countries are) and work for state agencies when asked (blackmailed).
- fullspectrumdev 3y ago
  There was a fantastic conversation in the leaked chat logs from the Conti/Trickbot groupings where one of them asks if they will be putting on their “young pioneer hats”, and other chats referencing being given tasks by the security services. The machine translation of those chats and internal read me docs from Russian to English resulted in some hilarious loss of nuance - sentences like “removing the admins eggs” (which is idiom - eggs meaning balls, and more so meant subverting the admins privileges).
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lenkite 3y ago
"Cyber crime usually targets external countries and it brings money in to the local economy, so little incentive for the government to target it" A lot of baseless speculation here considering that the Indian police regularly work with the FBI to bust up cyber-crime - and this is regularly reported. Could you please offer some evidence to support your allegations ? From my side: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/cbi-and-delhi-police-assist-fbi-in-busting-tech-support-scam-that-targeted-us-and-canadian-citizens/article66274942.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/cbi-and-delhi-police-... https://theprint.in/india/delhi-police-busts-international-cyber-crime-syndicate-in-operation-with-fbi-interpol/1631464/ https://theprint.in/india/delhi-police-busts-international-c... https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-targeting-cyber-criminals-8189942/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-target...
- PaywallBuster 3y ago
  Well, just read the article India is a hot spot for cyber crime and scam call centers Sure you can read articles about apprehensions every single day, but India is a big country, arresting 10 people every day makes no difference if there's (imagine) 100k people in the industry at any given time

ttyyzz 3y ago

Sure, but I think the country's image suffered greatly as a result. In contrast to Russia, I can hardly imagine that the country's leadership doesn't care.

PaywallBuster 3y ago
> country's image abstract terms with no implications Compare that with solid $ figures: if there's 1B in cyber crime money flowing to India per year split by 100k workers that's $10k/year each, double average salary in india Same like Russia, there can be a lot of complaints about Russia, but everyone still buying oil from Russia
alephnerd 3y ago
India is a federal country. There are various layers of federal, state, local, and municipal governments and enforcement you need to peel through to crack down on stuff like this, especially if an operation ends up partially co-opting the state and local portion, or if the state and the federal portion are opponents of each other. The Indian version of the FBI can't operate in states without their explicit permission, and there have been multiple cases where state police will end up arresting each other because competing politicians in neighboring states would file motions against each other. For example - https://m.timesofindia.com/india/explainer-inter-state-police-arrest-procedures-cooperation/articleshow/91378510.cms https://m.timesofindia.com/india/explainer-inter-state-polic...
lenkite 3y ago
It does care. Some folks here are just posting their pet speculations as facts without actually checking their assertions. Indian police regularly work with the U.S. FBI. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/delhi/international-cyber-crime-gang-busted-4-held-518356 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/delhi/international-cyber-... I can post 2 dozen such bust-ups in the last few years alone. The problem is that India is large nation with a humongous internet-growing population and the Indian police are still far behind their western counterparts. Also, compared to the FBI, the Indian CBI lacks teeth. Please note that the FBI also ranks India as among the top five countries in terms of total cybercrime victims.

enkid 3y ago

I'm pretty sure Russian hackers target former USSR countries. Estonia and Ukraine come to mind, but I would imagine all of the Baltic states, Georgia, and Moldova would be ok as well.

nurgasemetey 3y ago
There was an article about this -https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/try-this-one-weird-trick-russian-hackers-hate/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/try-this-one-weird-trick... . Basically, malicious programs will not target hosts that have Cyrillic or other languages of Russian aligned countries.
- enkid 3y ago
  There have been a ton of attacks originating from Russia against Ukraine and Estonia very publicly. Read Sandworm for a deep dive. Just because some hackers are lazy and use a Cyrillic keyboard as a lazy man's geofencing does not mean these countries are off limits.
  - nurgasemetey 3y ago
    Yes, I agree with you. I just remember some countries were not targeted by Russian hackers, think like some agreement.
mistrial9 3y ago
I read a lot of James Bond novels, so I can imagine what goes on...

citrin_ru 3y ago

More likely hackers in Russia can avoid prosecution as long as they don’t target Russia’s allies (not all exUSSR countries are) and work for state agencies when asked (blackmailed).

fullspectrumdev 3y ago
There was a fantastic conversation in the leaked chat logs from the Conti/Trickbot groupings where one of them asks if they will be putting on their “young pioneer hats”, and other chats referencing being given tasks by the security services. The machine translation of those chats and internal read me docs from Russian to English resulted in some hilarious loss of nuance - sentences like “removing the admins eggs” (which is idiom - eggs meaning balls, and more so meant subverting the admins privileges).
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lenkite 3y ago

"Cyber crime usually targets external countries and it brings money in to the local economy, so little incentive for the government to target it" A lot of baseless speculation here considering that the Indian police regularly work with the FBI to bust up cyber-crime - and this is regularly reported. Could you please offer some evidence to support your allegations ? From my side: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/cbi-and-delhi-police-assist-fbi-in-busting-tech-support-scam-that-targeted-us-and-canadian-citizens/article66274942.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/cbi-and-delhi-police-... https://theprint.in/india/delhi-police-busts-international-cyber-crime-syndicate-in-operation-with-fbi-interpol/1631464/ https://theprint.in/india/delhi-police-busts-international-c... https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-targeting-cyber-criminals-8189942/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-target...

PaywallBuster 3y ago
Well, just read the article India is a hot spot for cyber crime and scam call centers Sure you can read articles about apprehensions every single day, but India is a big country, arresting 10 people every day makes no difference if there's (imagine) 100k people in the industry at any given time