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Perhaps class? If software developer talent is distributed across all classes of society but only the upper classes have access to professional or well paid te

Perhaps class? If software developer talent is distributed across all classes of society but only the upper classes have access to professional or well paid technical jobs, there will be a surplus of low class tech workers shut out of the legal job market. So they resort to crime.

throwaway1 3y ago
Cannot help but admire how western armchair experts readily attributes caste and class to every problem in India. This is equivalent to saying all the white folks in the US are rich. It's not that easy or that black and white (pun intended). The biggest driver of social mobility is the economic status as is in every other country. Coming from a wealthy background opens a lot of doors. There are a lot of filthy rich folks who are from the "lower" class and there are dirt poor folks who are from the "upper" class. Really looking forward to the caste survey/census being planned after next year's elections. Though I suspect the political class will either try to delay it again (as has been done multiple times before) or manipulate the data to suit their narrative.
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- jabradoodle 3y ago
  > The biggest driver of social mobility is the economic status as is in every other country. This is a key component of class.
- enkid 3y ago
  The commenter didn't say anything about caste.
- newsclues 3y ago
  Sorry, I don't think class/caste is exclusively an Indian problem, notice I didn't use the caste term that is normally used in India? Even though people in the West think we live in a classless society, Western society really does have classism, but it often is confused with race. Class is a human problem.
slashtab 3y ago
Class/Caste has 0 relevance to this problem.
- newsclues 3y ago
  I think people that say something has zero relevance without any evidence are desperate to hide the truth.
  - joshxyz 3y ago
    well poverty is the most common theme on this one. being a person of color or being a low rank caste member doesnt necessarily make you an asshole by birth, but poor living conditions and peer pressure makes you wanna say yes to immoral ez money things. it sucks.
rmbyrro 3y ago
Unbelievable how someone can have such a distorted view
- newsclues 3y ago
  As an intelligent and hardworking low class person living in Canada, I feel that I often bump into a glass ceiling. Thanks for downplaying my life experience. Maybe next time, try to engage without totally dismissing peoples feelings!
  - qart 3y ago
    Could you please elaborate on how you have hit the glass ceiling? I don't know much about workplaces in Canada. I can speak about India: at least in software, class does not play much of a role. Factories and older domains have more rigid hierarchies. Government offices and family-owned businesses are are especially notorious for this. There are other glass ceilings which vary from office to office. For example, smokers or drinkers could form cliques where crucial workplace politics gets discussed. Thankfully, the software industry has been a good equalizer for two reasons. Quite a lot of the bosses have worked in Western environments that were not so obsequious. It's easier for a solo developer to prove himself, especially after the work-from-home trends began.
  - rmbyrro 3y ago
    As someone coming from a low class family, living in an underdeveloped country, I concentrate my attention on what's positive. Imagining a glass ceiling will only undermine my efforts and confidence. If you look around, I am absolutely sure you will find positive things that Canada provided and keeps providing you that 90% of the kids in my country can't even imagine. Focus on that. Build confidence. Think that you can break this "glass ceiling". It's in your mind, bro. As about intelligence and hard work, I think it's up to the people around us to judge ourselves and the results of our work. We need to understand others and be useful to them. That's how we can grow. To me, it seems you have a mindset that is limiting yourself, making you feel sabotaged by others. This prevents you from learning what you need to do in order to improve and grow. You might not like what I said. I might be wrong. You might ignore it. Anyways, those are the most honest, hard earned 2 cents I can offer.
niel1 3y ago
Could you please share any sources or references that support your conjecture?
- newsclues 3y ago
  I don't think it's an unresearched topic here is the result of a quick Google search... https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/podcast/knowledge-at-wharton-podcast/how-social-class-affects-the-career-ladder/ https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/podcast/knowledge-at-wha... But my comments are based on my personal and family life experience.
  - niel1 3y ago
    This article is about the classes lower on economical ladder where the education is expensive. In India in contrast, 1) education is not expensive, 2) has reservations for the classes considered lower on economical, caste/community, gender scales. So this conjecture does not hold true because of the ground realities. Scammers are criminal elements who want to make a quick buck like everywhere else in the World and there are plenty of options available for deserving candidates, based on talent, qualifications and relevant experience, and definitely not on their background.
tiznow 3y ago
Really asking, what do software developers have to do with dudes at a cyber cafe engaging in social engineering?

throwaway1 3y ago

Cannot help but admire how western armchair experts readily attributes caste and class to every problem in India. This is equivalent to saying all the white folks in the US are rich. It's not that easy or that black and white (pun intended). The biggest driver of social mobility is the economic status as is in every other country. Coming from a wealthy background opens a lot of doors. There are a lot of filthy rich folks who are from the "lower" class and there are dirt poor folks who are from the "upper" class. Really looking forward to the caste survey/census being planned after next year's elections. Though I suspect the political class will either try to delay it again (as has been done multiple times before) or manipulate the data to suit their narrative.

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jabradoodle 3y ago
> The biggest driver of social mobility is the economic status as is in every other country. This is a key component of class.
enkid 3y ago
The commenter didn't say anything about caste.
newsclues 3y ago
Sorry, I don't think class/caste is exclusively an Indian problem, notice I didn't use the caste term that is normally used in India? Even though people in the West think we live in a classless society, Western society really does have classism, but it often is confused with race. Class is a human problem.

slashtab 3y ago

Class/Caste has 0 relevance to this problem.

newsclues 3y ago
I think people that say something has zero relevance without any evidence are desperate to hide the truth.
- joshxyz 3y ago
  well poverty is the most common theme on this one. being a person of color or being a low rank caste member doesnt necessarily make you an asshole by birth, but poor living conditions and peer pressure makes you wanna say yes to immoral ez money things. it sucks.

rmbyrro 3y ago

Unbelievable how someone can have such a distorted view

newsclues 3y ago
As an intelligent and hardworking low class person living in Canada, I feel that I often bump into a glass ceiling. Thanks for downplaying my life experience. Maybe next time, try to engage without totally dismissing peoples feelings!
- qart 3y ago
  Could you please elaborate on how you have hit the glass ceiling? I don't know much about workplaces in Canada. I can speak about India: at least in software, class does not play much of a role. Factories and older domains have more rigid hierarchies. Government offices and family-owned businesses are are especially notorious for this. There are other glass ceilings which vary from office to office. For example, smokers or drinkers could form cliques where crucial workplace politics gets discussed. Thankfully, the software industry has been a good equalizer for two reasons. Quite a lot of the bosses have worked in Western environments that were not so obsequious. It's easier for a solo developer to prove himself, especially after the work-from-home trends began.
- rmbyrro 3y ago
  As someone coming from a low class family, living in an underdeveloped country, I concentrate my attention on what's positive. Imagining a glass ceiling will only undermine my efforts and confidence. If you look around, I am absolutely sure you will find positive things that Canada provided and keeps providing you that 90% of the kids in my country can't even imagine. Focus on that. Build confidence. Think that you can break this "glass ceiling". It's in your mind, bro. As about intelligence and hard work, I think it's up to the people around us to judge ourselves and the results of our work. We need to understand others and be useful to them. That's how we can grow. To me, it seems you have a mindset that is limiting yourself, making you feel sabotaged by others. This prevents you from learning what you need to do in order to improve and grow. You might not like what I said. I might be wrong. You might ignore it. Anyways, those are the most honest, hard earned 2 cents I can offer.

niel1 3y ago

Could you please share any sources or references that support your conjecture?

newsclues 3y ago
I don't think it's an unresearched topic here is the result of a quick Google search... https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/podcast/knowledge-at-wharton-podcast/how-social-class-affects-the-career-ladder/ https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/podcast/knowledge-at-wha... But my comments are based on my personal and family life experience.
- niel1 3y ago
  This article is about the classes lower on economical ladder where the education is expensive. In India in contrast, 1) education is not expensive, 2) has reservations for the classes considered lower on economical, caste/community, gender scales. So this conjecture does not hold true because of the ground realities. Scammers are criminal elements who want to make a quick buck like everywhere else in the World and there are plenty of options available for deserving candidates, based on talent, qualifications and relevant experience, and definitely not on their background.

tiznow 3y ago

Really asking, what do software developers have to do with dudes at a cyber cafe engaging in social engineering?