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why can't these talents just find normal jobs
by xiaodai 3y ago
why can't these talents just find normal jobs
- mkagenius 3y agoMost of these crimes hardly require talent. It's just social engineering the tech illiterates or even the unsuspecting literates. > Another finding in the report was that of all reported cyber crimes in India, almost half (47.25 percent) involved Unified Payments Interface (UPI) fraud. Debit, credit card and sim swap fraud came in a distant second place with 11.27 percent. Overall, financially motivated crime accounted for 77.41 percent of incidents. Talented criminals are rare. And those talents mostly go behind bars while the above criminals loom at large.
- joshxyz 3y agoand they pay is usually better than other companies easy to get in, low skill requirements, good pay
- ttyyzz 3y agoyou forgot one big thing in your list. the downside, which imo outweighs the benefits. being a criminal.
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- cdchn 3y agoLess of a problem when corruption is rampant and you can pay off the police.
- H8crilA 3y agoAnd the upside can be enormous. There's a huge amount of very poor people in India. For example only a few years ago everyone finally got a toilet in their house. Stealing $500 from a slightly demented grandma that is afraid about her medical insurance "running out" can be a lot to them.
- cdchn 3y agoIf you watch some of those "scammer gets scammed" videos you can see what the scammers actually think about the grandmas they're stealing from.
- IG_Semmelweiss 3y agoNot necessarily getting scammed, but getting a bit of what they deserve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsLJZyih3Ac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsLJZyih3Ac
- sneed_chucker 3y agoYeah, but it's not $500. It's frequently people being tricked into transferring huge chunks of their life savings to the scammers. Like 5+ figure sums.
- joshxyz 3y agojust the free markets at work there's a distaste on this one but this is mostly social psychology at work. there are things people will do to provide for themselves and to improve their quality of life as long as they get away with it. hell, it can be equated to online copywriters of fake fat loss pills and cosmetic products, people buying identities, vpns, ad accounts. wherever you go there's always someone tryna take advantage of the sucker in the room. god i love people, haha.
- gorlilla 3y agoThat will always depend on how good of a criminal you are. Whatever you do; don't be greedy.
- mrguyorama 3y agoThese "employees" are usually led to believe "Everyone in the west is rich, it's fine to take a little from them"
- joshxyz 3y agothis is so true, good lord. i heard it first hand.
- jowea 3y agoFor everyone else who is wondering what the other 22% are: https://www.futurecrime.org/cyber-crime-research https://www.futurecrime.org/cyber-crime-research
- newsclues 3y agoPerhaps class? If software developer talent is distributed across all classes of society but only the upper classes have access to professional or well paid technical jobs, there will be a surplus of low class tech workers shut out of the legal job market. So they resort to crime.
- throwaway1 3y agoCannot help but admire how western armchair experts readily attributes caste and class to every problem in India. This is equivalent to saying all the white folks in the US are rich. It's not that easy or that black and white (pun intended). The biggest driver of social mobility is the economic status as is in every other country. Coming from a wealthy background opens a lot of doors. There are a lot of filthy rich folks who are from the "lower" class and there are dirt poor folks who are from the "upper" class. Really looking forward to the caste survey/census being planned after next year's elections. Though I suspect the political class will either try to delay it again (as has been done multiple times before) or manipulate the data to suit their narrative.
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- jabradoodle 3y ago> The biggest driver of social mobility is the economic status as is in every other country. This is a key component of class.
- enkid 3y agoThe commenter didn't say anything about caste.
- newsclues 3y agoSorry, I don't think class/caste is exclusively an Indian problem, notice I didn't use the caste term that is normally used in India? Even though people in the West think we live in a classless society, Western society really does have classism, but it often is confused with race. Class is a human problem.
- PaywallBuster 3y agoImpunity Cyber crime usually targets external countries and it brings money in to the local economy, so little incentive for the government to target it Same as hackers in Russia having impunity as long as they're not targeting USSR countries
- ttyyzz 3y agoSure, but I think the country's image suffered greatly as a result. In contrast to Russia, I can hardly imagine that the country's leadership doesn't care.
- PaywallBuster 3y ago> country's image abstract terms with no implications Compare that with solid $ figures: if there's 1B in cyber crime money flowing to India per year split by 100k workers that's $10k/year each, double average salary in india Same like Russia, there can be a lot of complaints about Russia, but everyone still buying oil from Russia
- alephnerd 3y agoIndia is a federal country. There are various layers of federal, state, local, and municipal governments and enforcement you need to peel through to crack down on stuff like this, especially if an operation ends up partially co-opting the state and local portion, or if the state and the federal portion are opponents of each other. The Indian version of the FBI can't operate in states without their explicit permission, and there have been multiple cases where state police will end up arresting each other because competing politicians in neighboring states would file motions against each other. For example - https://m.timesofindia.com/india/explainer-inter-state-police-arrest-procedures-cooperation/articleshow/91378510.cms https://m.timesofindia.com/india/explainer-inter-state-polic...
- lenkite 3y agoIt does care. Some folks here are just posting their pet speculations as facts without actually checking their assertions. Indian police regularly work with the U.S. FBI. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/delhi/international-cyber-crime-gang-busted-4-held-518356 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/delhi/international-cyber-... I can post 2 dozen such bust-ups in the last few years alone. The problem is that India is large nation with a humongous internet-growing population and the Indian police are still far behind their western counterparts. Also, compared to the FBI, the Indian CBI lacks teeth. Please note that the FBI also ranks India as among the top five countries in terms of total cybercrime victims.
- rusticpenn 3y agoHard to get these jobs.
- spacecadet 3y agoSomething others are forgetting to list, many of these "criminals" are themselves being exhorted or trafficked.
- niel1 3y agoCould you please share any sources or references that support your point?
- random_ind_dude 3y agoHere is a report from the UN on forced criminality. https://www.unodc.org/roseap/uploads/documents/Publications/2023/TiP_for_FC_Summary_Policy_Brief.pdf https://www.unodc.org/roseap/uploads/documents/Publications/... The report is for Southeast Asia, but the same may apply for India too.
- niel1 3y agoIndian Subcontinent is geographically, culturally, and demographically extremely different from Southeast Asia.
- gorlilla 3y agoSo the underlying/fundamental UN doctrine and principles should somehow be different? You should still be able to glean the overall UN position on similar practices. Whether you intended or not; your comment came across slightly xenophobic. 2 out of 3 main points (UN stance, forced criminality) are on point and shouldn't change based on the geographic region. Your comment read as if you were offended that the same pointsfor SE Asia could ever apply to India. I hope not though. Either way it's important to acknowledge higher(meta) level perspectives for what they actually say, not who they're about.
- spacecadet 3y agoThank you.
- MattGaiser 3y agoI know a guy in a country who has many friends doing this. Scamming a Westerner can be worth a year’s pay even if they net a few thousand dollars. Whereas the legitimate jobs pay far less. It also requires less skill to try as a lot of it is social engineering.