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None of these problems are unique to the UK though. Many other EU countries struggle with all of these problems(and more!) and yet manage to preserve the privac

None of these problems are unique to the UK though. Many other EU countries struggle with all of these problems(and more!) and yet manage to preserve the privacy of their citizens regardless. And I'm not saying that someone worrying about affording food and energy bills should prioritize privacy over it, but the way I see it there is apathy on all levels of the society. I have friends who are very firmly in the top 1% of the British society and they also don't care too much about it, it's just yet another thing that they feel doesn't affect them so why worry about it. It's very different feeling to the one you can get in the US or in Germany or Poland, where even people who are theoretically not affected by surveillance laws are upset about them and will be very vocal about them. Like I Said in another comment - on a personal level all I want is my friends, colleagues and family to say "this kind of thing is unacceptable in democratic society and I don't agree with it" instead of "meh I don't care".

lynx23 3y ago
> Many other EU countries The UK is not a EU country. Just to remind those which think they can be in and out at the same time.
- tmjwid 3y ago
  Maybe not, but lets not split hairs here. The op was discussing comparing nations and used a blanket "EU" moniker to denote this. You know, our next door neighbours of similar economic size...
  - lynx23 3y ago
    I guess I will loose this on the ground of not being a native speaker. But to me, the little word "other" makes a difference. At least if I translate to my native language, the phrase "andere EU-Staaten" clearly implies that UK is also a EU country. Removing "andere" fixes the sentence to actually tell the truth. And yes, this distinction is important. The british people have democratically decided to leave the EU.
    - tmjwid 3y ago
      No you are right, but my point was that it was an unnecessary observation in my opinion. Pointing out our choice on EU membership brought zero additional discussion to the points they made. Just like our little conversation now :)
    - scatters 3y ago
      The referendum was advisory. The decision to leave the EU was made by parliament, not by the people. With that out of the way, you should read "EU" as being in parentheses.
      - lynx23 3y ago
        > The decision to leave the EU was made by parliament, not by the people. What a nice excuse. I dont buy it. No decision is ever made by "the people", every poll will end up being discussed in some parliament, and politicians will have the final say. But the british people voted to exit, and that is what happened. I really dont know why supporters of democracy have any problem with that.
switch007 3y ago
> yet manage to preserve the privacy of their citizens regardless. All European countries? I think you might have some rose (or, blue and yellow starry) tinted glasses on. With your specific mention of EU I would hazard a guess you’re thinking of GDPR. Don’t be fooled be the existence of it. It mostly doesn’t apply to government and law enforcement. GDPR was some great PR by the EU I tell you. I’m on mobile atm but I’d be happy to do some quick research in to how various EU countries invade their citizens privacy in the name of crime prevention
- gambiting 3y ago
  >>All European countries? I said many, not all. And no I'm not thinking of GDPR - my other home(Poland) is turning into a radical right wing hell hole yet people are active politically and will vocally opose the idiotic government and its policies. I don't see any such fervour in the UK, people are generally happy to go with whatever the government comes up with as long as it doesn't bother them too much.
easytiger 3y ago
> None of these problems are unique to the UK though. Many other EU countries struggle with all of these problems(and more!) and yet manage to preserve the privacy of their citizens regardless. I'll presume good faith and assume you are not aware the EU Commission are planning similar, indeed more far reaching laws applicable to all member states. And various other states want to do it themselves. https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-document-csa-law/ https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-d... Perhaps you are only familiar with the anglosphere.

lynx23 3y ago

> Many other EU countries The UK is not a EU country. Just to remind those which think they can be in and out at the same time.

tmjwid 3y ago
Maybe not, but lets not split hairs here. The op was discussing comparing nations and used a blanket "EU" moniker to denote this. You know, our next door neighbours of similar economic size...
- lynx23 3y ago
  I guess I will loose this on the ground of not being a native speaker. But to me, the little word "other" makes a difference. At least if I translate to my native language, the phrase "andere EU-Staaten" clearly implies that UK is also a EU country. Removing "andere" fixes the sentence to actually tell the truth. And yes, this distinction is important. The british people have democratically decided to leave the EU.
  - tmjwid 3y ago
    No you are right, but my point was that it was an unnecessary observation in my opinion. Pointing out our choice on EU membership brought zero additional discussion to the points they made. Just like our little conversation now :)
  - scatters 3y ago
    The referendum was advisory. The decision to leave the EU was made by parliament, not by the people. With that out of the way, you should read "EU" as being in parentheses.
    - lynx23 3y ago
      > The decision to leave the EU was made by parliament, not by the people. What a nice excuse. I dont buy it. No decision is ever made by "the people", every poll will end up being discussed in some parliament, and politicians will have the final say. But the british people voted to exit, and that is what happened. I really dont know why supporters of democracy have any problem with that.

switch007 3y ago

> yet manage to preserve the privacy of their citizens regardless. All European countries? I think you might have some rose (or, blue and yellow starry) tinted glasses on. With your specific mention of EU I would hazard a guess you’re thinking of GDPR. Don’t be fooled be the existence of it. It mostly doesn’t apply to government and law enforcement. GDPR was some great PR by the EU I tell you. I’m on mobile atm but I’d be happy to do some quick research in to how various EU countries invade their citizens privacy in the name of crime prevention

gambiting 3y ago
>>All European countries? I said many, not all. And no I'm not thinking of GDPR - my other home(Poland) is turning into a radical right wing hell hole yet people are active politically and will vocally opose the idiotic government and its policies. I don't see any such fervour in the UK, people are generally happy to go with whatever the government comes up with as long as it doesn't bother them too much.

easytiger 3y ago

> None of these problems are unique to the UK though. Many other EU countries struggle with all of these problems(and more!) and yet manage to preserve the privacy of their citizens regardless. I'll presume good faith and assume you are not aware the EU Commission are planning similar, indeed more far reaching laws applicable to all member states. And various other states want to do it themselves. https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-document-csa-law/ https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-d... Perhaps you are only familiar with the anglosphere.