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I see even a metaphor of “overpowering”, “strength in numbers” as deeply problematic because it is indicative of paradigm and world view. This goes beyond signa

by hosh 3y ago

I see even a metaphor of “overpowering”, “strength in numbers” as deeply problematic because it is indicative of paradigm and world view. This goes beyond signaling and messaging. It’s difficult to be aware of one’s own paradigm, let alone to change it. It’s not as if I have a good solution to this. If I did, I would be writing about it. So far, the person who seems to be able to articulate and implement this I have seen is Carol Sanford. She does not talk about overpowering, or strength in numbers.

em-bee 3y ago
what does she talk about? i am seriously interested, because i am more interested in achieving the desired result, not how we get there (unless there is a problem with the approach, like you seem to see here, so i would like to explore alternatives)
- hosh 3y ago
  She talks about paradigms and world views, about how those can build on each other. This is important because often times, the really difficult problems are found outside of the current paradigm. It's when one can think in the other paradigm, that some things become possible ... but it also makes communication difficult because it takes a long time for someone's paradigm and world view to shift. Once that is in place, there are things like "nodal interventions" to help accelerate things. Most of her writings and podcasts are geared towards business, but she wrote one book called _Regenerative Life_. I don't know how exactly that applies to social structures, but "beat to fit, paint to match" is not it. I'm approaching my understanding of it from the ecology and permaculture side of things. It's really easy to think in terms of, kill all the weeds, kill all the pests, maximize yields, etc. because that is part of the normative, mainstream paradigm. It requires a big shift into becoming a part of the ecology and designing things in that way. But letting the ecology grow, live, die, and heal on its own without as much direct intervention is how you get to a place where the system is resilient and adaptive, and yields something for humans along with all the other participant of the ecology.

by hosh 3y ago

em-bee 3y ago

what does she talk about? i am seriously interested, because i am more interested in achieving the desired result, not how we get there (unless there is a problem with the approach, like you seem to see here, so i would like to explore alternatives)

hosh 3y ago
She talks about paradigms and world views, about how those can build on each other. This is important because often times, the really difficult problems are found outside of the current paradigm. It's when one can think in the other paradigm, that some things become possible ... but it also makes communication difficult because it takes a long time for someone's paradigm and world view to shift. Once that is in place, there are things like "nodal interventions" to help accelerate things. Most of her writings and podcasts are geared towards business, but she wrote one book called _Regenerative Life_. I don't know how exactly that applies to social structures, but "beat to fit, paint to match" is not it. I'm approaching my understanding of it from the ecology and permaculture side of things. It's really easy to think in terms of, kill all the weeds, kill all the pests, maximize yields, etc. because that is part of the normative, mainstream paradigm. It requires a big shift into becoming a part of the ecology and designing things in that way. But letting the ecology grow, live, die, and heal on its own without as much direct intervention is how you get to a place where the system is resilient and adaptive, and yields something for humans along with all the other participant of the ecology.