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Exactly. It sounds like currently there's no money to be made supporting old embedded devices (in the consumer space at least), because no one is on the hook fo

by athrun 3y ago

Exactly. It sounds like currently there's no money to be made supporting old embedded devices (in the consumer space at least), because no one is on the hook for long term maintenance. Regulations _could_ change the incentives, and create a market for long term servicing. Regulations are hard to get right though...

WJW 3y ago
Old devices getting support from the Linux team is only one of the ways this can play out though. Some other ways I can think of: - Old devices are phased out sooner. - Moving away from linux towards proprietary embedded OSes that do provide support. - No doubt some companies will try just ignoring the regulations
- microtonal 3y ago
  Or maybe vendors will be incentivized to actually upstream kernel patches, plus stop making 10 different models every year for weird market segmentation reasons.
- ladyanita22 3y ago
  Nobody will move out of Linux, and old devices won't be phased out sooner, at least not in s significant manner.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  They could also provide the devices without an OS, and point you at the recommended open source ISO to download.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    If it is not standard x86, then good luck.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  “Old devices are phased out sooner” seems like an OK solution with some caveats. It is nice that it makes the cost of not supporting things visible to the users. Assuming “phased out” means the device will actually stop operating; “Company X’s devices have a short lifetime” is an easy thing for people to understand. I suspect consumers will look for brands that don’t have this reputation, which should give those well behaved brands a boost. Although, if it does turn out that just letting devices die is the common solution, maybe something will need to be done to account for the additional e-waste that is generated. Moving toward proprietary OSes; hey, if it solves the problem… although, I don’t see why they’d have an advantage in keeping things up to date. It is possible that companies will just break the law but then, that’s true of any law.
fnordpiglet 3y ago
This won’t make more money available for supporting old devices, it’ll just make the long term profitability of any device significantly lower and therefore less competition and innovation. A smarter regulation would have been required non-commercial use firmware source disclosures to allow non competitive long term maintenance by owners.

by athrun 3y ago

WJW 3y ago

Old devices getting support from the Linux team is only one of the ways this can play out though. Some other ways I can think of: - Old devices are phased out sooner. - Moving away from linux towards proprietary embedded OSes that do provide support. - No doubt some companies will try just ignoring the regulations

microtonal 3y ago
Or maybe vendors will be incentivized to actually upstream kernel patches, plus stop making 10 different models every year for weird market segmentation reasons.
ladyanita22 3y ago
Nobody will move out of Linux, and old devices won't be phased out sooner, at least not in s significant manner.
robertlagrant 3y ago
They could also provide the devices without an OS, and point you at the recommended open source ISO to download.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  If it is not standard x86, then good luck.
bee_rider 3y ago
“Old devices are phased out sooner” seems like an OK solution with some caveats. It is nice that it makes the cost of not supporting things visible to the users. Assuming “phased out” means the device will actually stop operating; “Company X’s devices have a short lifetime” is an easy thing for people to understand. I suspect consumers will look for brands that don’t have this reputation, which should give those well behaved brands a boost. Although, if it does turn out that just letting devices die is the common solution, maybe something will need to be done to account for the additional e-waste that is generated. Moving toward proprietary OSes; hey, if it solves the problem… although, I don’t see why they’d have an advantage in keeping things up to date. It is possible that companies will just break the law but then, that’s true of any law.

fnordpiglet 3y ago

This won’t make more money available for supporting old devices, it’ll just make the long term profitability of any device significantly lower and therefore less competition and innovation. A smarter regulation would have been required non-commercial use firmware source disclosures to allow non competitive long term maintenance by owners.