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There is language in the DMA that explicitly prohibits downgrading device capabilities or software features if a user chooses to exercise their new rights to in

There is language in the DMA that explicitly prohibits downgrading device capabilities or software features if a user chooses to exercise their new rights to install 3rd party apps and stores. It also states that 3rd party apps and stores must be allowed to access all hardware and software features of the device. The EU already predicted this move and curtailed it.

josephcsible 3y ago
Won't Apple just get other companies to do it for them? Consider that Google will already let you root your Pixel, but the McDonald's app will refuse to run if you do.
- stale2002 3y ago
  And then apple gets sued, is forced to release their internal communications in the discovery phase of the lawsuit, and then when their illegal and anti-competitive actions to pressure other companies to do this becomes clear, then Apple gets fined X% of global revenue. Any hack or loophole that you can think of, the answer is "and then the EU forces apple to pay billions or 10s of billions of dollars".
  - josephcsible 3y ago
    Are either Google or McDonald's going to get fined billions, then, assuming that nothing with my example changes before March 6th?
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    - stale2002 3y ago
      Thats an interesting question. It is unclear what happens to co-collaborators of legal violations like that. But, it won't actually come to that, as Apple will simply follow the law, instead of risking 10s of billions of dollars in fines. Because thats what would happen to Apple if they tried to force other companies to go along with their law breaking schemes.
      - idle_zealot 3y ago
        In the case of Google and McDonalds I don't think there was collaboration. The developers of the McDonalds app included root detection code and have their app refuse to load all on their own as part of some ill-considered security scheme. If apps on iOS are able to detect whether 3rd party stores/apps are enabled we may see the same thing play out. I wonder then if just providing the ability to detect other apps like that would be a violation of the DMA, as it gives others apps on the system the ability to degrade their functionality.

josephcsible 3y ago

Won't Apple just get other companies to do it for them? Consider that Google will already let you root your Pixel, but the McDonald's app will refuse to run if you do.

stale2002 3y ago
And then apple gets sued, is forced to release their internal communications in the discovery phase of the lawsuit, and then when their illegal and anti-competitive actions to pressure other companies to do this becomes clear, then Apple gets fined X% of global revenue. Any hack or loophole that you can think of, the answer is "and then the EU forces apple to pay billions or 10s of billions of dollars".
- josephcsible 3y ago
  Are either Google or McDonald's going to get fined billions, then, assuming that nothing with my example changes before March 6th?
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  - stale2002 3y ago
    Thats an interesting question. It is unclear what happens to co-collaborators of legal violations like that. But, it won't actually come to that, as Apple will simply follow the law, instead of risking 10s of billions of dollars in fines. Because thats what would happen to Apple if they tried to force other companies to go along with their law breaking schemes.
    - idle_zealot 3y ago
      In the case of Google and McDonalds I don't think there was collaboration. The developers of the McDonalds app included root detection code and have their app refuse to load all on their own as part of some ill-considered security scheme. If apps on iOS are able to detect whether 3rd party stores/apps are enabled we may see the same thing play out. I wonder then if just providing the ability to detect other apps like that would be a violation of the DMA, as it gives others apps on the system the ability to degrade their functionality.