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Got to be honest, qua customer, I have zero interest in alternative app stores. Maybe I'd care as a developer because I'd have money on the line, but I just hav

Got to be honest, qua customer, I have zero interest in alternative app stores. Maybe I'd care as a developer because I'd have money on the line, but I just have zero interest. And, fwiw, I'd rather have Apple act as my payment intermediary than hand out payment information to more parties. I'm sure it's great or whatever, but I can't see it.

lloydatkinson 3y ago
It’s going to lead to a stream of low quality shitware the likes of which you see in Samsung or Amazon app stores. Those Apple guidelines prevent those being listed in the Apple store.
- pcl 3y ago
  I expect that one important difference here is that iPhones will still presumably run the Apple App Store out of the box / in parallel to whatever other answers emerge. This differs from the Samsung / Amazon model because the initial store is likely to be less of a disaster, and different distribution mechanisms will perhaps become known for their quality, among other factors. You could imagine multiple app stores, in which you have a wild-west store but also the default Apple one and a "maker store" one focused on CAD apps and 3D printing gear and whatnot, with different levels of moderation / curation in each. (An aside -- whenever I look at the Apple App Store's home page, it always seems filled with all sorts of crap I'm uninterested in. I haven't used the Amazon or Samsung stores, but I hardly think the Apple App Store curation process has resulted in a paragon of quality...)
- joemi 3y ago
  It'll be even worse, because most non-shit apps will stick with Apple's store, so the third party stores will (for the most part) _only_ have low quality apps.
pcl 3y ago
Really? It doesn't bother you that you need to manually navigate to the Amazon web app to buy a Prime movie or a Kindle book, or the equivalents for any other digital assets you might be interested in?
- meepmorp 3y ago
  Not really, no. That's how it is now, and I don't care. I imagine I'll continue to not care.
baz00 3y ago
Yep. I'm a pretty staunch believer in free software and freedom. But quite frankly after dealing with all sorts of abusive third party subscription services over the years and dubious quality bits of software, I'd rather be in a market that is controlled as heavily as Apple's is. It is better for the end user than the alternative. Also I don't know any end users who actually give a crap about this. Not one. I suspect this is really driven because people don't want to pay the 30% and believe that by opening third party app stores they will be able to run their own subscription models etc. Build it and they will come! I doubt it because as mentioned before, no one really gives a crap. Apart from people selling, building apps and a few power users like the ones here who read the general tone from those folk. But again, the millions of users out there don't give a crap. Really, there are plenty of other ways to make money if your principles are violated heavily by this. The mobile app market place has always and will always be a complete shit show. The successes of a few are promoted as the status quo, when in fact it is an exception. For everyone else it's crap. Walk away rather than enter the debate if it's a problem. If we stop building apps and propping up the business model, people might start giving a crap.

lloydatkinson 3y ago

It’s going to lead to a stream of low quality shitware the likes of which you see in Samsung or Amazon app stores. Those Apple guidelines prevent those being listed in the Apple store.

pcl 3y ago
I expect that one important difference here is that iPhones will still presumably run the Apple App Store out of the box / in parallel to whatever other answers emerge. This differs from the Samsung / Amazon model because the initial store is likely to be less of a disaster, and different distribution mechanisms will perhaps become known for their quality, among other factors. You could imagine multiple app stores, in which you have a wild-west store but also the default Apple one and a "maker store" one focused on CAD apps and 3D printing gear and whatnot, with different levels of moderation / curation in each. (An aside -- whenever I look at the Apple App Store's home page, it always seems filled with all sorts of crap I'm uninterested in. I haven't used the Amazon or Samsung stores, but I hardly think the Apple App Store curation process has resulted in a paragon of quality...)
joemi 3y ago
It'll be even worse, because most non-shit apps will stick with Apple's store, so the third party stores will (for the most part) _only_ have low quality apps.

pcl 3y ago

Really? It doesn't bother you that you need to manually navigate to the Amazon web app to buy a Prime movie or a Kindle book, or the equivalents for any other digital assets you might be interested in?

meepmorp 3y ago
Not really, no. That's how it is now, and I don't care. I imagine I'll continue to not care.

baz00 3y ago

Yep. I'm a pretty staunch believer in free software and freedom. But quite frankly after dealing with all sorts of abusive third party subscription services over the years and dubious quality bits of software, I'd rather be in a market that is controlled as heavily as Apple's is. It is better for the end user than the alternative. Also I don't know any end users who actually give a crap about this. Not one. I suspect this is really driven because people don't want to pay the 30% and believe that by opening third party app stores they will be able to run their own subscription models etc. Build it and they will come! I doubt it because as mentioned before, no one really gives a crap. Apart from people selling, building apps and a few power users like the ones here who read the general tone from those folk. But again, the millions of users out there don't give a crap. Really, there are plenty of other ways to make money if your principles are violated heavily by this. The mobile app market place has always and will always be a complete shit show. The successes of a few are promoted as the status quo, when in fact it is an exception. For everyone else it's crap. Walk away rather than enter the debate if it's a problem. If we stop building apps and propping up the business model, people might start giving a crap.