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> Maybe don't stick your head in the sand the moment someone says "toxic masculinity". It means something which hurts men, too. The left however tends to shun

> Maybe don't stick your head in the sand the moment someone says "toxic masculinity". It means something which hurts men, too. The left however tends to shun the fact that a lot of the toxic masculinity comes from women and their expectations on men and boys. There isn't anything men can do to stop toxic masculinity until women stops propagating it, and the left sees no problem with women and teachers propagating toxic masculinity, at least I've never seen them talk about it as a problem that needs fixing.

foogazi 3y ago
This comment seems way off For example women and queer in armed forces are routinely mocked by the right as feminization and weakening of the military
norwalkbear 3y ago
This comment seems right on. Women calling men under 6ft children on social media. Lesbians shaming men for being short or weaker than them. Of course the gate is rising
- igetspam 3y ago
  Yes. Those women are, in fact, supporting a culture of toxic masculinity. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove though. It seems like whataboutism
  - norwalkbear 3y ago
    You wish it was whataboutism, but in a topic about mens mental health, it's absolutely relevant
igetspam 3y ago
> The left however tends to shun the fact that a lot of the toxic masculinity comes from women and their expectations on men and boys This just isn't true. The fact that men AND women are taught this "manly man" crap by both their mothers and fathers is commonly discussed. It's often reported that women don't self reflect but follow any prominent feminist and you'll hear them talking about this often. > There isn't anything men can do to stop toxic masculinity until women stops propagating it This is both false and a poor human excuse for bad behavior. You can have better conversations. You can model better behavior. You can call out misogyny. It's fun or comfortable or do but it's with your control. Don't push all the hard work to others. Do it yourself. (I do. It's not fun but it's important.) > the left sees no problem with women and teachers propagating toxic masculinity, at least I've never seen them talk about it as a problem that needs fixing. Be honest with yourself. Where are you looking? Articles like this that make it seem like we should over index on self inflicted wounds or aces where women talk about the difficulties they face because of heavily patriarchal society?

foogazi 3y ago

This comment seems way off For example women and queer in armed forces are routinely mocked by the right as feminization and weakening of the military

norwalkbear 3y ago

This comment seems right on. Women calling men under 6ft children on social media. Lesbians shaming men for being short or weaker than them. Of course the gate is rising

igetspam 3y ago
Yes. Those women are, in fact, supporting a culture of toxic masculinity. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove though. It seems like whataboutism
- norwalkbear 3y ago
  You wish it was whataboutism, but in a topic about mens mental health, it's absolutely relevant

igetspam 3y ago

> The left however tends to shun the fact that a lot of the toxic masculinity comes from women and their expectations on men and boys This just isn't true. The fact that men AND women are taught this "manly man" crap by both their mothers and fathers is commonly discussed. It's often reported that women don't self reflect but follow any prominent feminist and you'll hear them talking about this often. > There isn't anything men can do to stop toxic masculinity until women stops propagating it This is both false and a poor human excuse for bad behavior. You can have better conversations. You can model better behavior. You can call out misogyny. It's fun or comfortable or do but it's with your control. Don't push all the hard work to others. Do it yourself. (I do. It's not fun but it's important.) > the left sees no problem with women and teachers propagating toxic masculinity, at least I've never seen them talk about it as a problem that needs fixing. Be honest with yourself. Where are you looking? Articles like this that make it seem like we should over index on self inflicted wounds or aces where women talk about the difficulties they face because of heavily patriarchal society?