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Tangent: Is there such a thing as "organic" for people that don't mind GMO, or fertilizer, but don't want their food sprayed with pesticides?

belinder 3y ago
Farmers market?
- vkou 3y ago
  Nearly all of whom use pesticides.
  - ilyt 3y ago
    Well if you want your fruits without worms in it, you have to. I remember from my life at farm that even just spraying it few days too late basically "ruined" a lot of fruit
kornhole 3y ago
Pesticide free
atdrummond 3y ago
Most organic certification programs allow (or even require) the use of pesticides; they simply use those which are considered “natural”. Some of these allowed pesticides, like copper sulfate, are far more carcinogenic than even the compounds (glyphosate, for example) that are considered dangerous enough to warrant public concern campaigns.[1] [1] https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2020/07/23/organic-fungicide-copper-sulfate-poses-dangers-to-humans-animals-insects-how-does-it-compare-to-conventional-pesticides/ https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2020/07/23/organic-fungic...
- mrob 3y ago
  It's possible that copper sulfate is more dangerous than the alternatives, but there's no evidence that it's carcinogenic. Your linked article claims copper sulfate "has not been associated with cancer".
  - atdrummond 3y ago
    Thanks for catching; I was doing some changing of my wording and forgot to finish it before submitting my comment. I had meant to type “far more deleterious to health, if not specifically oncogenic/carcinogenic […]” I did not mean to state copper sulfate (or any of the organic farming compounds) is cancer causing and I would f have fixed the typo if I was still within the edit window.
slothtrop 3y ago
The advantages of organic for produce are anywhere between dubious or marginal. I would have said there's it's better with animal products, but that's largely owing to the overlap with free range / grass-fed. I don't really care if the grain they happen to eat is also "organic". In conventional farming conditions are so bad for pork that a large percentage of them die of disease, despite all the anti-biotics, before even heading to the butcher. I feel less inclined to touch that stuff unless it's from a local farm I know. Poultry and beef have their own set of problems.
- 10u152 3y ago
  Free range/grass fed/low density is great for meat. I don't want "organic" meat. Anyone who's killed a wild animal for food knows how crawling with parasites, worms and disease they are. Do you really want a herd of food animals living in pain/suffering because you won't give them worming drugs? Or antibiotics for a bacterial infection? No, thanks.
  - slothtrop 3y ago
    Are wild animals in a constant state of pain/suffering? I would surmise not. Notwithstanding I don't think the organic label for meat is contingent on allowing them to be infested.

belinder 3y ago

Farmers market?

vkou 3y ago
Nearly all of whom use pesticides.
- ilyt 3y ago
  Well if you want your fruits without worms in it, you have to. I remember from my life at farm that even just spraying it few days too late basically "ruined" a lot of fruit

kornhole 3y ago

Pesticide free

atdrummond 3y ago

Most organic certification programs allow (or even require) the use of pesticides; they simply use those which are considered “natural”. Some of these allowed pesticides, like copper sulfate, are far more carcinogenic than even the compounds (glyphosate, for example) that are considered dangerous enough to warrant public concern campaigns.[1] [1] https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2020/07/23/organic-fungicide-copper-sulfate-poses-dangers-to-humans-animals-insects-how-does-it-compare-to-conventional-pesticides/ https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2020/07/23/organic-fungic...

mrob 3y ago
It's possible that copper sulfate is more dangerous than the alternatives, but there's no evidence that it's carcinogenic. Your linked article claims copper sulfate "has not been associated with cancer".
- atdrummond 3y ago
  Thanks for catching; I was doing some changing of my wording and forgot to finish it before submitting my comment. I had meant to type “far more deleterious to health, if not specifically oncogenic/carcinogenic […]” I did not mean to state copper sulfate (or any of the organic farming compounds) is cancer causing and I would f have fixed the typo if I was still within the edit window.

slothtrop 3y ago

The advantages of organic for produce are anywhere between dubious or marginal. I would have said there's it's better with animal products, but that's largely owing to the overlap with free range / grass-fed. I don't really care if the grain they happen to eat is also "organic". In conventional farming conditions are so bad for pork that a large percentage of them die of disease, despite all the anti-biotics, before even heading to the butcher. I feel less inclined to touch that stuff unless it's from a local farm I know. Poultry and beef have their own set of problems.

10u152 3y ago
Free range/grass fed/low density is great for meat. I don't want "organic" meat. Anyone who's killed a wild animal for food knows how crawling with parasites, worms and disease they are. Do you really want a herd of food animals living in pain/suffering because you won't give them worming drugs? Or antibiotics for a bacterial infection? No, thanks.
- slothtrop 3y ago
  Are wild animals in a constant state of pain/suffering? I would surmise not. Notwithstanding I don't think the organic label for meat is contingent on allowing them to be infested.