Yeah, that's definitely a valid take depending on your setup. If I have those kinds of problems with a container then I generally jump into the underlying VM or

Yeah, that's definitely a valid take depending on your setup. If I have those kinds of problems with a container then I generally jump into the underlying VM or metal to use those tools, but that also implies a lot of knowledge around how a host system incorporates container networking, which arguably makes hard troubleshooting even harder. On headless systems they usually come with some sort of privileged "admin" container, so the setup is the same. Second to that is that I have dev stages that are built with containers that do have those tools, and generally if I run into those kinds of problems I see them in dev first.