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I mean, his point is that the Left doesn't actually drive home all the things they do that benefit men. > You have an infrastructure bill that will create jobs

I mean, his point is that the Left doesn't actually drive home all the things they do that benefit men. > You have an infrastructure bill that will create jobs largely for men. Two-thirds of the jobs in the infrastructure bill will go to men: black men as much as white men, and Hispanic men a little bit more, because they’re so represented in the construction industry. Don’t hide from that fact, as the administration does when they’re challenged on it. And then also things that are cut and dry worse for men (i.e. suicide rate) you don't see a gender breakdown showing that [1]. And even when the press material has a gender breakdown its part of the "Age" section even though being male is a 3x affect while the age is ~0.25x [2]. Jacobin's point is about messaging and not that "The Left" doesn't do anything. [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/index.html [2]: https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/disparities-in-suicide.html https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/disparities-in-suicide.htm...

dr_orpheus 3y ago
> And then also things that are cut and dry worse for men (i.e. suicide rate) Not trying to dilute your point, because if you look at the "Data and Statistics" tab of the page you linked the disparity between male/female is clearly obvious. So I agree that the fact that is not talked about in the disparities is crazy. But, one thing I remember hearing when I was in high school was that suicide attempts were higher amongst women, but the suicide rate was higher amongst men. There is a mention of this in the article for youth, so maybe it was specifically mentioned because of that age group because I can't seem to see if that applies across age groups. "In 2021, 9% of high school students reported attempting suicide during the previous 12 months. Suicide attempts were reported most frequently among girls compared to boys (12.4% vs. 5.3%)"
diogenes4 3y ago
First, the infrastructure bill came out of the center, not the left (although it is fairly popular across the entire spectrum). Second, I don't see many people expounding the individual benefit from the infrastructure bill period—seems like a blatant strawman. > Two-thirds of the jobs in the infrastructure bill will go to men: black men as much as white men, and Hispanic men a little bit more, because they’re so represented in the construction industry. If I perceived the government as only capable of offering jobs and no other support I would also be pissed and feel alienated. I don't see much evidence that this is how people view the world outside of the Brookings institute.

dr_orpheus 3y ago

> And then also things that are cut and dry worse for men (i.e. suicide rate) Not trying to dilute your point, because if you look at the "Data and Statistics" tab of the page you linked the disparity between male/female is clearly obvious. So I agree that the fact that is not talked about in the disparities is crazy. But, one thing I remember hearing when I was in high school was that suicide attempts were higher amongst women, but the suicide rate was higher amongst men. There is a mention of this in the article for youth, so maybe it was specifically mentioned because of that age group because I can't seem to see if that applies across age groups. "In 2021, 9% of high school students reported attempting suicide during the previous 12 months. Suicide attempts were reported most frequently among girls compared to boys (12.4% vs. 5.3%)"

diogenes4 3y ago

First, the infrastructure bill came out of the center, not the left (although it is fairly popular across the entire spectrum). Second, I don't see many people expounding the individual benefit from the infrastructure bill period—seems like a blatant strawman. > Two-thirds of the jobs in the infrastructure bill will go to men: black men as much as white men, and Hispanic men a little bit more, because they’re so represented in the construction industry. If I perceived the government as only capable of offering jobs and no other support I would also be pissed and feel alienated. I don't see much evidence that this is how people view the world outside of the Brookings institute.